neals98

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I have a stock bottom end ls1 I am wanting to put heads and cam on it. I did a seach put not much info. What do you guys think about the darts on my motor. I have used the pro 1 on a 400 small block and i loved them. Just wanting to know if the ls1 darts are anygood or do i need to get another head. Also was wanting to know what cam to get the most out of my car without having to fly cut..................Any info THANKS

HEMIETR

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Not great out of the box. With a little work they are much better.

Shawn @ VA Speed

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the trickflow 215's are alot better head,not that the dart's couldnt be good,they just need some work.As far as camshaft,that will depend on what cylinder heads you run.

neals98

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how much are the 215 trickflows?

MPHmotorsports

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I might disagree with the above. The Dart heads out of the box are good. Great no, but can get the avarage guy to his goals.
They start at 62cc's which will give you about 11:1 out of the box. They also have a small port that flow's well and can make very good power with the proper combo.
We are Trick Flow and ETP dealer's and I perfer those heads over the Darts but they are more expensive for sure.
Give us a idea of what your goals are and your budget. I am sure that would help us help you choose the best head for around your goals.
Jeremy

MPHmotorsports

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http://www.mphparts.com/mm5/merchant...tegory_Code=TF

We do a bit better deal when you call.

Also TFS has a new as cast head that is real nice. And about 400 dollars less money.

1997bird

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For about the same money you could have a set of CNC ported LS6 heads that will make more HP. Here is a article to look at: http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ads/index.html .

MPHmotorsports

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For sure some CNC heads can make more power, but they can not keep up with the aftermarket heads in design. The thicker head deck, the extra P/V clearence vs a LS6 head, the option to go bigger and still use the same casting in the future, etc.
In the end I think the Dart head is a nice head for the money for having a aftermarket casting, but it does not compair to the TFS heads.

1997bird

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I realize that it was just a magizine article, but depending on how big of a cam that he wants to go with the CNC LS6 heads might be the better deal. I use the Gen 1 Dart's all of the time and understand the advantages of a aftermarket casting. I'm not trying to be a pain here, just throwing some option's out there.

SOMbitch

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Also TFS has a new as cast head that is real nice. And about 400 dollars less money.[/QUOTE]

Just heard about them today.website i talked to had them for $1900. The money you save about pays for the rocker arms you have to get. I am strongly considering these and from what I hear they still flow better than most ported heads and you can always get them ported later.Then if your goals change go 402/408 with this head (ported). I am gonna try to swing it I think (hope). I love the valve angle and chamber that provides more PTV clearance and allows you run a bigger cam without worries. The only negative I see is it will require a longer pushrod and/or adjustable rocker arm($$$$) but worth the trade off

MPHmotorsports

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[QUOTE=1997bird;8444009] depending on how big of a cam that he wants to go with the CNC LS6 heads might be the better deal. QUOTE]

For sure man. The thread starter I am sure can use every option available.
There are many quality LS6 ported heads. I am a huge fan of the TEA ported LS6 heads. Great power every time I use them.

MPHmotorsports

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Just heard about them today.website i talked to had them for $1900. The money you save about pays for the rocker arms you have to get. I am strongly considering these and from what I hear they still flow better than most ported heads and you can always get them ported later.Then if your goals change go 402/408 with this head (ported). I am gonna try to swing it I think (hope). I love the valve angle and chamber that provides more PTV clearance and allows you run a bigger cam without worries. The only negative I see is it will require a longer pushrod and/or adjustable rocker arm($$$$) but worth the trade off[/QUOTE]



I will give you a great deal on the heads, can defentially do 1900 no problem, and I see the rocker's for cost with the heads to help out the buyer.
Pushrods are normally changed either way to use a hardened pushrod.
Give me a call when you are ready or send me a PM.
Jeremy

405HP_Z06

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Can you use any roller rocker with these heads?

neals98

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would it be better just to go with PRC and a TSP cam?

1997bird

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Depends on how big of a cam you would like to use &/or your HP goals.

neals98

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I will use what ever cam just as long as i do not have to fly cut pistons.... I am wanting over 400 hp

1997bird

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You could use either Patriot or TSP for proxiemty to Mississippi for the heads, they bolth are about the same price with a set of dual valve springs. As for the cam, I would use whomever's heads that becomes your choice, to also select a matching cam. Don't forget to get a tune for your car as well. You should be able to make your goal with a good tune.

neals98

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Thanks For Everyone's Help So Far.

Sigforty

I ran dart 205 heads with a futral cam and the combo worked great. I know futral uses them on a lot of vehicles and for the price they make great power.

MPHmotorsports

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The Dart heads use any Rocker that will work on a stock casting head, same with the Trickflow's. The ET heads are really the different one of the bunch. They can use stock rocker's and they made their own rocker stand to get the rocker centered on the valve tip correctly. Yella Terra also has a rocker designed for the ET Heads but as of right now it is not in the country.
The Harland Sharpes are not a direct bolt on for the ET heads.
I believe in all reality a stock rocker "could be" used on the TFS products but they strongly suggest not using the stocker's. The STocker's have a MUCH HIGHER chance of failing and therefore aftermarket rocker arms are suggested.