knock sensor killing timing
#61
"grounding" of exhaust components under load where engine racks over some and the suspension compresses....can then cause some part of the exhaust to hit something and the PCM reads knock and pulls timing
very hard to induce this motor & suspension movement by just looking under a car on jack stands. Finding that point of contact can be hard so finding the clue "witness mark" on wherever it is hitting can help pin point it.
so if just looking under the car and there is say 1/8" clearance between something, especially PS, the engine TQ and subsequent suspension compression can be more than that 1/8" and you then have "grounding".
very hard to induce this motor & suspension movement by just looking under a car on jack stands. Finding that point of contact can be hard so finding the clue "witness mark" on wherever it is hitting can help pin point it.
so if just looking under the car and there is say 1/8" clearance between something, especially PS, the engine TQ and subsequent suspension compression can be more than that 1/8" and you then have "grounding".
#63
TECH Resident
I had A 99 Z-28 that I chased false knock on for 7 years.. I racked my brain and spent thousands of dollars trying to figure it out. Thinking back it all started when my son bought me a SLP under drive harmonic balancer for Christmas. I took it off and replaced it with a stock one and the problem was solved! It had a faulty bond on the rubber to steel, it would pull timing out at about 4200 rpm and smooth back out at 4600 rpm, sounded like it was bumping the rev limiter. This was only at WOT. I guess a stock balancer could be bad as well. Worth checking... Bill
#65
I had A 99 Z-28 that I chased false knock on for 7 years.. I racked my brain and spent thousands of dollars trying to figure it out. Thinking back it all started when my son bought me a SLP under drive harmonic balancer for Christmas. I took it off and replaced it with a stock one and the problem was solved! It had a faulty bond on the rubber to steel, it would pull timing out at about 4200 rpm and smooth back out at 4600 rpm, sounded like it was bumping the rev limiter. This was only at WOT. I guess a stock balancer could be bad as well. Worth checking... Bill
A friend of mine has a LT1 that he is rebuilding. Maybe I'll try his to see if there is a difference. Worth a shot since it's only removing the belt and 3 bolts.
#66
I'm getting to the point where I might turn off my knock sensors if I can't fix it. The car is really low on power, I took it to the track, its highest trap was 106mph with a 13 flat. When I went to the track (wasn't planning on going, last minute schedule change) my y-pipe started banging on the tranny mount crossmember, worse than the header hitting the k -member. I know right where I need to fix it, but was already at the track. I also forgot my computer (it was last minute) but I know it's still pulling timing.
#67
Good morning.
In the quest to make a very efficient CAI and datalog MAP values, I got the car on the dyno to do some controlled pulls rather than the street.
In doing so, I did 6 pulls between 3 different CAI setups (2 pulls per setup) only to find out later while looking at the data that the car was pulling upwards of 10.6* timing.
Key points:
-EVERY run the car pulled at least .3* right off the bat going WOT.
-Two of the 6 run retard climbs to 10* (on 2 different CAI setups)
-One run retard never went above 1*
-Car has been dyno tuned maybe 2 years ago by the same shop I just dyno'd the car and I trust them.
-Running 93octane with full exhaust
-Car did not spit/spudder through the pull and sounds normal.
-Daily driving car feels perfectly normal.
Possible causes I have come to find:
-Bad gas(currently 1/2 tank left and waiting to use up current tank)
-Exhaust hitting something (found tight clearance between header and frame, remedied but still have issues)
-Knock sensor going bad(confirmed voltage and KS resistance to be within spec)
These pulls lost me about 10hp/10tq with this timing issue. I was wondering if anyone with KS experience would have have an opinion on what to tackle first given my description.
Thanks a lot.
In the quest to make a very efficient CAI and datalog MAP values, I got the car on the dyno to do some controlled pulls rather than the street.
In doing so, I did 6 pulls between 3 different CAI setups (2 pulls per setup) only to find out later while looking at the data that the car was pulling upwards of 10.6* timing.
Key points:
-EVERY run the car pulled at least .3* right off the bat going WOT.
-Two of the 6 run retard climbs to 10* (on 2 different CAI setups)
-One run retard never went above 1*
-Car has been dyno tuned maybe 2 years ago by the same shop I just dyno'd the car and I trust them.
-Running 93octane with full exhaust
-Car did not spit/spudder through the pull and sounds normal.
-Daily driving car feels perfectly normal.
Possible causes I have come to find:
-Bad gas(currently 1/2 tank left and waiting to use up current tank)
-Exhaust hitting something (found tight clearance between header and frame, remedied but still have issues)
-Knock sensor going bad(confirmed voltage and KS resistance to be within spec)
These pulls lost me about 10hp/10tq with this timing issue. I was wondering if anyone with KS experience would have have an opinion on what to tackle first given my description.
Thanks a lot.