Mustang vs. My Formula?
04-27-2005, 07:23 PM
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Mustang vs. My Formula? This is a little long, so you can skip to the bottom if you are lazy.
I dont know if this is the right place for this, but im going to ask it anyways. Some kid at school wont shut up about how his car could own mine. I dont race on the street, but I said that I am willing to go to the local racetrack when the weather clears up. I dont brag about my car or like to show off too much, but this is getting rediculus.
I have a 2000 Formula, Automatic, with a Magnaflow catback and an SLP air lid. Thats it. He drives a 1998 Mustang GT automatic He wont tell me what he has for mods, but a friend of mine told me he has a cold air intake, racing cam, headers, low restriction exhaust of some kind, and a good tune. He claimed to get 275 at the rear wheels today, at which I laughed a little, and said my car probably made more stock. He claimed that my car would make no more than 245 at the rear wheels stock("Its not a trans am or ws6"
), at which I again laughed and told him how GM under-rated our cars stock HP at the crank. He thought that was BS. I think I will make about 300rwhp, is this off base at all? Because he said that I wouldnt make more than 290, which he was willing to put money on.
So basically, I am asking who would win in the quater mile, him or me?
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Me: 2000 Formula, Air Lid, Catback
Him: 1998 Mustang GT, "Racing" Cam, headers, exhaust. He says 275 HP but could be more, I sure dont trust him.
Who would win?
I dont know if this is the right place for this, but im going to ask it anyways. Some kid at school wont shut up about how his car could own mine. I dont race on the street, but I said that I am willing to go to the local racetrack when the weather clears up. I dont brag about my car or like to show off too much, but this is getting rediculus.
I have a 2000 Formula, Automatic, with a Magnaflow catback and an SLP air lid. Thats it. He drives a 1998 Mustang GT automatic He wont tell me what he has for mods, but a friend of mine told me he has a cold air intake, racing cam, headers, low restriction exhaust of some kind, and a good tune. He claimed to get 275 at the rear wheels today, at which I laughed a little, and said my car probably made more stock. He claimed that my car would make no more than 245 at the rear wheels stock("Its not a trans am or ws6"
), at which I again laughed and told him how GM under-rated our cars stock HP at the crank. He thought that was BS. I think I will make about 300rwhp, is this off base at all? Because he said that I wouldnt make more than 290, which he was willing to put money on. So basically, I am asking who would win in the quater mile, him or me?
Cliffnotes:
Me: 2000 Formula, Air Lid, Catback
Him: 1998 Mustang GT, "Racing" Cam, headers, exhaust. He says 275 HP but could be more, I sure dont trust him.
Who would win?
04-28-2005, 08:54 AM
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You should be real close to 300HP out back, but either way its a mustang with a 4.slow you should win, there is a guy with a saleen (supercharged) mustang like a 2001 or so and he has done some exhaust work and thats it and I can spank him any day of the week I think his saleen has like 320HP so if this guy has 275HP it should be a cake walk
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I put 295 down on a mustang dyno with just a lid, tb bypass, descreened maf. Everything else was stock, even the exhaust. What gears do you have? If you've got 2.73's you should run around a 13.5+/- with those mods. With 3.23's you should be around a 13.3+/-. Either way, you should own him on the street or the track.
Those cars won't have a racing "cam". They'll have 2 cams if they've been swapped. My guess is that it still has the stock cams in it.
Those cars won't have a racing "cam". They'll have 2 cams if they've been swapped. My guess is that it still has the stock cams in it.
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Originally Posted by bbqz28
I put 295 down on a mustang dyno with just a lid, tb bypass, descreened maf. Everything else was stock, even the exhaust. What gears do you have? If you've got 2.73's you should run around a 13.5+/- with those mods. With 3.23's you should be around a 13.3+/-. Either way, you should own him on the street or the track.
Those cars won't have a racing "cam". They'll have 2 cams if they've been swapped. My guess is that it still has the stock cams in it.
Those cars won't have a racing "cam". They'll have 2 cams if they've been swapped. My guess is that it still has the stock cams in it.
you shouldnt have a problem...remember, you have the formula for speed!!!!
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if the guy says it has a cam then he's full of **** because those car had 2 cams. SOHC and if he had those mods on that engine he'd be over 275 at the wheels. when my old Z28 was stock i beat a gears/exhaust/bolton 98 cobra by about 3 cars in less than an eighth mile and i was still pullin him hard
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Originally Posted by bbqz28
I put 295 down on a mustang dyno with just a lid, tb bypass, descreened maf. Everything else was stock, even the exhaust. What gears do you have? If you've got 2.73's you should run around a 13.5+/- with those mods. With 3.23's you should be around a 13.3+/-. Either way, you should own him on the street or the track.
Those cars won't have a racing "cam". They'll have 2 cams if they've been swapped. My guess is that it still has the stock cams in it.
Those cars won't have a racing "cam". They'll have 2 cams if they've been swapped. My guess is that it still has the stock cams in it.
wtf is wrong with my car =((
04-28-2005, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyS2k5
This is a little long, so you can skip to the bottom if you are lazy.
I dont know if this is the right place for this, but im going to ask it anyways. Some kid at school wont shut up about how his car could own mine. I dont race on the street, but I said that I am willing to go to the local racetrack when the weather clears up. I dont brag about my car or like to show off too much, but this is getting rediculus.
I have a 2000 Formula, Automatic, with a Magnaflow catback and an SLP air lid. Thats it. He drives a 1998 Mustang GT automatic He wont tell me what he has for mods, but a friend of mine told me he has a cold air intake, racing cam, headers, low restriction exhaust of some kind, and a good tune. He claimed to get 275 at the rear wheels today, at which I laughed a little, and said my car probably made more stock. He claimed that my car would make no more than 245 at the rear wheels stock("Its not a trans am or ws6"), at which I again laughed and told him how GM under-rated our cars stock HP at the crank. He thought that was BS. I think I will make about 300rwhp, is this off base at all? Because he said that I wouldnt make more than 290, which he was willing to put money on.
So basically, I am asking who would win in the quater mile, him or me?
Cliffnotes:
Me: 2000 Formula, Air Lid, Catback
Him: 1998 Mustang GT, "Racing" Cam, headers, exhaust. He says 275 HP but could be more, I sure dont trust him.
Who would win?
I dont know if this is the right place for this, but im going to ask it anyways. Some kid at school wont shut up about how his car could own mine. I dont race on the street, but I said that I am willing to go to the local racetrack when the weather clears up. I dont brag about my car or like to show off too much, but this is getting rediculus.
I have a 2000 Formula, Automatic, with a Magnaflow catback and an SLP air lid. Thats it. He drives a 1998 Mustang GT automatic He wont tell me what he has for mods, but a friend of mine told me he has a cold air intake, racing cam, headers, low restriction exhaust of some kind, and a good tune. He claimed to get 275 at the rear wheels today, at which I laughed a little, and said my car probably made more stock. He claimed that my car would make no more than 245 at the rear wheels stock("Its not a trans am or ws6"
), at which I again laughed and told him how GM under-rated our cars stock HP at the crank. He thought that was BS. I think I will make about 300rwhp, is this off base at all? Because he said that I wouldnt make more than 290, which he was willing to put money on. So basically, I am asking who would win in the quater mile, him or me?
Cliffnotes:
Me: 2000 Formula, Air Lid, Catback
Him: 1998 Mustang GT, "Racing" Cam, headers, exhaust. He says 275 HP but could be more, I sure dont trust him.
Who would win?
04-28-2005, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bbqz28
With 3.23's you should be around a 13.3+/-.
As for his cam or cams or whatever, I honestly have no idea, I heard this from a friend of mine, because the guy with the stang doesnt seem to like to share his mods with others, so it might be off base a bit. When he drives through the parking lot tho, it sounds like he has to rev real high to go anywhere (Either way his exhaust tone sounds like its going through tin can, but he seem to like it, because my magnaflow "sounds untuned"
). Another thing is that another friend had raced him in an 02 Mustang GT 5spd, totally stock, and said he kept with him. He sprays, but said he wouldnt for the race, and will go all motor, which is probably better, he already blew his motor once.I will do my best to kick his *** when the weather clears up around here.
04-29-2005, 11:42 AM
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if the guy says it has a cam then he's full of **** because those car had 2 cams. SOHC and if he had those mods on that engine he'd be over 275 at the wheels. when my old Z28 was stock i beat a gears/exhaust/bolton 98 cobra by about 3 cars in less than an eighth mile and i was still pullin him hard
The guy says he has a cam on his GT, that's correct, only one cam.
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No, the SOHC engines DO have two cams, one in each head, and it has two heads as it's a 90' V engine.
Ok, that being said, he's lieing about his rwhp, or VASTLY overestimating.
Those cars claimed 215-225hp crank, and that was a very generous claim. They were slower than the old 5.0s which made 215-225hp crank. The heads sucked, the cams sucked, the exhaust sucked. it has SIX cats.
So assuming he has a gutted exhaust, and killer cams, he STILL has sucky heads to try and draw that air through. 225hp crank is about 185rwhp... maybe less through his auto. He's trying to tell you that some exhaust work and a cam gained him 90rwhp with the shitty non-PI 4.6L heads? BULLSHIT. He's either got juice hidden or he's a liar. We can barely gain 90rwhp from a cam swap and we have killer heads to start with.
You should be around 280-290rwhp stock in an automatic ls1, so with your mods you should be closing in on 300rwhp.
That race is ALL you.
Ok, that being said, he's lieing about his rwhp, or VASTLY overestimating.
Those cars claimed 215-225hp crank, and that was a very generous claim. They were slower than the old 5.0s which made 215-225hp crank. The heads sucked, the cams sucked, the exhaust sucked. it has SIX cats.
So assuming he has a gutted exhaust, and killer cams, he STILL has sucky heads to try and draw that air through. 225hp crank is about 185rwhp... maybe less through his auto. He's trying to tell you that some exhaust work and a cam gained him 90rwhp with the shitty non-PI 4.6L heads? BULLSHIT. He's either got juice hidden or he's a liar. We can barely gain 90rwhp from a cam swap and we have killer heads to start with.
You should be around 280-290rwhp stock in an automatic ls1, so with your mods you should be closing in on 300rwhp.
That race is ALL you.
04-29-2005, 12:17 PM
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There's a lot of idiocy in this thread so far. We've got one guy who says the Mustang can't possibly win because it's a 4.6, another guy telling us an SOHC mod motor has only one cam.
I doubt he's making that much power because those non PI heads were horrible (like Skarecrow already mentioned). My friend ran his '98 GT stock with only an H-pipe and a catback and hit a 14.7 E/T. All he did was swap out the non-PI heads for stock heads off of a 2000 GT and ran a 14.1 E/T.. non-ported PI heads. He's got some VT2 cams and a 5-speed going in pretty soon so I can't comment on it yet.
I doubt he's making that much power because those non PI heads were horrible (like Skarecrow already mentioned). My friend ran his '98 GT stock with only an H-pipe and a catback and hit a 14.7 E/T. All he did was swap out the non-PI heads for stock heads off of a 2000 GT and ran a 14.1 E/T.. non-ported PI heads. He's got some VT2 cams and a 5-speed going in pretty soon so I can't comment on it yet.
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Originally Posted by wickedwarlock
gts are SOHC; cobras are DOHC.
The guy says he has a cam on his GT, that's correct, only one cam.
The guy says he has a cam on his GT, that's correct, only one cam.
Dual Over Head Cam - 2 cams over each head, 2 heads = 4 cams
05-03-2005, 12:25 PM
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Single Over Head Cam - 1 cam over each head, 2 heads = 2 cams
Dual Over Head Cam - 2 cams over each head, 2 heads = 4 cams
Dual Over Head Cam - 2 cams over each head, 2 heads = 4 cams
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I was thinkin' he MIGHT put up a little fight through the 1/8th until I read he has an automatic. Sorry Ford boys, but everyone knows how pathetic those auto trannies are. Like mentioned earlier: unless he's done some work on that tranny and has a stall, this guy won't be ****. Even if he's puttin' down 300rwhp which he isn't, you'd still walk him.
I raced a guy with full bolt-ons and a supercharger on his '96-'98 Mustang GT M5, and he was BARELY pulling away from me past 80 mph... so you need to put some money on this race and bring many a whitness.
I raced a guy with full bolt-ons and a supercharger on his '96-'98 Mustang GT M5, and he was BARELY pulling away from me past 80 mph... so you need to put some money on this race and bring many a whitness.