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Old 09-20-2006, 05:15 AM
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i was heading home on a 4 lane highway when i got up beside a 97 z28 m6(could tell because of the taillights) I dont know what mods he had, but he had a pretty loud exhaust. I was carrying a passenger and he was by himself. My a4 mods are only flowmaster muffler, hi flo cat. I persistantly tried to get him to race me, and outta nowhere he guns it from about 30mph. So i do the same. i start pulling immediatly, and by 60 i had inched past him. I was happy to get a win, since my last 4 races had been losses to sr20 powered 240s I have a friend with a 2000 z28 a4, hooker catback exhaust is his only mod. he wants to race, i said ok, but my 93 Z28 a4 has only a flowmaster muffler, a hi flo cat, and all my fluids changed to royal purple,and zr1 fusion tires. Thats what he knows. But in the next week or so i will have a k&n fipk, shiftkit w/ tranny cooler, air foil, and tb bypass, cutout. How do you think it will go for me. I have 273s, he has 3 23, and cheap tires. We are going to do a 0-100mph run, and a 50 roll, what do you think my chances are

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he lives about 70 mile from me (guy with the ls1 camaro) he said hell be here the first week of october. Do you think i can win. im sure i will have slightly more hp
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he will rape you, you need a stall, and some LT's to wake your car up.
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Originally Posted by slowmofo
he will rape you, you need a stall, and some LT's to wake your car up.
i think rape is a little strong, i estimate my car is running about a 14 flat right now (ive beaten 3 high 13 second cars) with these mods i think i should be within at least a carlength. from a stop, and pretty close from a roll. But then again, im asking. Forgot, i bought a cutout

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Originally Posted by erickeown
i think rape is a little strong, i estimate my car is running about a 14 flat right now (ive beaten 3 high 13 second cars) with these mods i think i should be within at least a carlength. from a stop, and pretty close from a roll. But then again, im asking. Forgot, i bought a cutout
NO NO HE WILL RAPE YOU
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Originally Posted by MUSTANGBRKR02
NO NO HE WILL RAPE YOU
a friend of mine with a 97 formula a4, intake only ran a 13.8 and took an ls1 z down by a carlenth from a 0-90 or so roll. Thats probably not typical, but it happened
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Sorry, I think you are going to get smoked. With your mods, you will be lucky to be making 300 hp (at the crank). The LS1 will be at 300-310 hp at the wheels. Also, your 2.73 are going to hurt you as well.

Anyways, just race and find out. You never know.
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I predict you will loose and this thread will get locked down as soon as Unit stops searching through the Autotrader for a C6 ZO6....and a turbo. WHne can I lock down threads....
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not typical at all... my 95 Auto 3.23 car ran 14.1 @ 97mph bone stock...

I was beating LS1 cars (edging past them but still close races) with the following on a 95 Z28.

2200 Stall, Stage II Shift Kit, Manual Valvebody, 3.42s, No Cat, CAI, Flowmaster Series 80, Removed A/C, TB Bypass, hand ported heads, no egr, descreened maf..

All I can remember at the moment (few of them not really "power mods" but you get the point).... Anyways point being.. even with all of those mods the only thing that gave me any chance in hell was having the heads ported and removing my A/C... Car was 3500lbs with me and fuel... the stall and gear helped A TON from a dig and roll ons as far as preventing the other guy from getting a jump on me.

Sadly this still didn't prevent the occasional strong LS1 (STOCK) from walking all over me. It takes headers and the right bolt ons to get in their range and you will still lose to a strong one... My current LS1 has trapped a best of 105mph stock..and my best mph in the 95 was 103mph on a 2.4 60ft (oil pump died and took the engine with it before I got a chance to run again)...
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2
as soon as Unit stops searching through the Autotrader for a C6 ZO6....and a turbo...


My old 94 with gears and a stall could hang with a ls1 till about 80-85, then it was lights out for me. It wasn't till I got headers that things were closer. The 2.73's will kill you.

But go run, film it and find out
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I called my uncle jeremy up, he has an auto 99 ls1 firebird convertible/ with no mods. Im racing him tomorrow, he a heavier and pushing less horses, so i wanna see how that will go. Im gonna put on my intake, and airfoil, before we race. that should be another 10 at the wheels and ill see how that goes. If i can win this, than i should do well against the 00Z since i will then have a shift kit, a cutout, and a tb bypass installed. Ill post the results
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2
I predict you will loose and this thread will get locked down as soon as Unit stops searching through the Autotrader for a C6 ZO6....and a turbo. WHne can I lock down threads....
whatever dick, this is a race thread, i added on to it after i talk to my buddy with the ls1. So mind you business
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Originally Posted by erickeown
I called my uncle jeremy up, he has an auto 99 ls1 firebird convertible/ with no mods. Im racing him tomorrow, he a heavier and pushing less horses, so i wanna see how that will go. Im gonna put on my intake, and airfoil, before we race. that should be another 10 at the wheels and ill see how that goes. If i can win this, than i should do well against the 00Z since i will then have a shift kit, a cutout, and a tb bypass installed. Ill post the results
LS1s commonly put down in excess of 300rwhp bone stock; just where do you actually think he has less power than you? Is it the royal purple? These cars are capable of laying down low 13s @105-108 in stock trim. You're going to get yourself a new ******* torn by an LS1 as your car is.
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Originally Posted by Iron Sights
LS1s commonly put down in excess of 300rwhp bone stock; just where do you actually think he has less power than you? Is it the royal purple? You're going to get yourself a new ******* torn by an LS1 as your car is.
i dont know about a a4 ls1 putting that much down stock. How could a 305 bhp car put down over 300 at the wheels, 0% drivetrain loss. I meant motor hp, i should be closer to 320 or 325, Whatever, thanks for you opinion, didnt need smartass comments but whatever, a4 ls1s have 0% drivetrain loss, didnt know that, thanks for pointing it out to me. Anyway what i meant was the firebird converible is a stock 98, 305 bhp as opposed to the 00 which has 310, plus an exhaust. So if you wanna be a smart ***, use your brain.
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My car, rated at 310bhp, put down 311rwhp completely stock. The GM ratings are total bullshit. Here you go tough guy. So, I hate to ask this, but do you even have a brain to use yourself? You're going to get yanked; just deal with it and mod up (the kind that actually add power).
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Originally Posted by Iron Sights
My car, rated at 310bhp, put down 311rwhp completely stock. The GM ratings are total bullshit. Here you go tough guy. So, I hate to ask this, but do you even have a brain to use yourself? You're going to get yanked; just deal with it and mod up (the kind that actually add power).
whatever dousche, the ls1 is untouchable. 310 bhp 311whp
my buddy beat one in his 97 with just an intake. So if he were pushing 310 to the motor he would have only what, 3whp b/c hes drivin a slow lt1, whatever. I dont care if i win or lose, i just want your opinion not your smart *** thoughts on life, and how there is negative drivetrain loss on an ls1 because theyre sent from god. all hail the ls1, god of all engines, has more wheel hp than motor.
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Well i believe alot of ppl are ranging from 310-325 WHP? and like 340-350 at the crank stock. I read it some where on here i believe. I have a completely stock 01 LS1.. i run 13.5 stock at 104 or 105 i dont have the slip right here with me. Its a A4. Only difference is the 00 LS1 will have a bigger cam. minus the LS6 intake. I dont know how much of a difference is there as far as time but 13.5 - 14.0 is a .5 diff. If its a stick then u might get the good end of the stick and he cant drive a manual very well. But u will not know til u do something. Also the guy talkin about traps. 105-108 is that for manuals?
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Originally Posted by erickeown
whatever dousche, the ls1 is untouchable. 310 bhp 311whp
my buddy beat one in his 97 with just an intake. So if he were pushing 310 to the motor he would have only what, 3whp b/c hes drivin a slow lt1, whatever. I dont care if i win or lose, i just want your opinion not your smart *** thoughts on life, and how there is negative drivetrain loss on an ls1 because theyre sent from god. all hail the ls1, god of all engines, has more wheel hp than motor.
You're an especially dumb one aren't you? The LS1 in F-bodies doesn't have 310bhp, it has the same 350bhp LS1 found in the 'Vettes. Honestly, did you even read the damn post I linked you to? Here's an except from the November 2001 issue of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords.

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Also the guy talkin about traps. 105-108 is that for manuals?
Yep, that's for manuals. It is usually in that range, depending on the driver and how strong the car runs stock.

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So.....just because your friend beat an LS1 w/ a basically stock LT1, that must mean that all LS1's will be the same results?? Dude you are a TOOL, your "friend" beat the driver not the car. Hate to tell you bud, but when I was lid and catback I crushed a hot cam, valvetrane, Intake, LT's, catback and gears LT1 from a stop and from a roll. Race the right people and you will get smoked. You must be blind to cold hard facts......people have been known to get high 12's out of stock LS1's, where as a well driven LT1 might net you a high 13 sec pass, a difference of 1 full sec is A LOT.
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Originally Posted by Iron Sights
You're an especially dumb one aren't you? The LS1 in F-bodies doesn't have 310bhp, it has the same 350bhp LS1 found in the 'Vettes. Honestly, did you even read the damn post I linked you to? Here's an except from the November 2001 issue of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords.



Yep, that's for manuals. It is usually in that range, depending on the driver and how strong the car runs stock.
yes, with a different cam, restricted intake and exhaust, even i know that



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