how noticeable is 32mm sway bar
12-13-2011, 12:30 AM
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how noticeable is 32mm sway bar ok i have heard that upgrading the sway bar is super noticeable but that was on mostly stock suspension vehicles. I wanna find a decent priced 32mm hollow bar off the WS6 or SS. The thing is i already have the ES poly bushings, strut brace, Eibach lowering springs, Bilstein shocks and Hotchkis trailing arms so its a pretty firm ride already w/ not much body roll. Now will I be able to feel a big difference or will the suspension stuff I already have kind of mask the thicker bar? any help is greatly appreciated bc i would rather spend the money on something else if i wont be able to notice a difference.
12-13-2011, 07:43 AM
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Hey btate. What front bar do you have on the car now? Rear bar?
Adding front bar on a balanced car will tend to make the car understeer (push). So if you're already happy with the balance, you may not want to add more front bar.
There are occasions where adding front bar can cure a push because of a reduction in suspension geometry change (where the body roll is messing with the tire's camber).
Are you street driving, track day driving or auto-xing?
In the case of street driving, flatter may feel better in general regardless of overall balance. A nice, flat responsive street car is a good thing.
ramey
Adding front bar on a balanced car will tend to make the car understeer (push). So if you're already happy with the balance, you may not want to add more front bar.
There are occasions where adding front bar can cure a push because of a reduction in suspension geometry change (where the body roll is messing with the tire's camber).
Are you street driving, track day driving or auto-xing?
In the case of street driving, flatter may feel better in general regardless of overall balance. A nice, flat responsive street car is a good thing.
ramey
12-13-2011, 10:45 AM
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ok i have heard that upgrading the sway bar is super noticeable but that was on mostly stock suspension vehicles. I wanna find a decent priced 32mm hollow bar off the WS6 or SS. The thing is i already have the ES poly bushings, strut brace, Eibach lowering springs, Bilstein shocks and Hotchkis trailing arms so its a pretty firm ride already w/ not much body roll. Now will I be able to feel a big difference or will the suspension stuff I already have kind of mask the thicker bar? any help is greatly appreciated bc i would rather spend the money on something else if i wont be able to notice a difference.
12-13-2011, 05:23 PM
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I actually did this mod about 10 years ago and I was pretty happy with it because it was a somewhat noticeable mod that only cost me like $75 from a local buddy. Knowing what I know now, I would just wait and by a good set of aftermarket bars. Sway bars are designed to work together. The front size was chosen to work with the rear, and vice versa. Will it be noticeable? Well, it will probably make the car understeer toward the limit, but it will make the front feel slightly tighter before the threshold. If you're not getting a killer deal on one, you should just wait things out, IMO.
12-13-2011, 05:25 PM
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Hey btate. What front bar do you have on the car now? Rear bar?
Adding front bar on a balanced car will tend to make the car understeer (push). So if you're already happy with the balance, you may not want to add more front bar.
There are occasions where adding front bar can cure a push because of a reduction in suspension geometry change (where the body roll is messing with the tire's camber).
Are you street driving, track day driving or auto-xing?
In the case of street driving, flatter may feel better in general regardless of overall balance. A nice, flat responsive street car is a good thing.
ramey
Adding front bar on a balanced car will tend to make the car understeer (push). So if you're already happy with the balance, you may not want to add more front bar.
There are occasions where adding front bar can cure a push because of a reduction in suspension geometry change (where the body roll is messing with the tire's camber).
Are you street driving, track day driving or auto-xing?
In the case of street driving, flatter may feel better in general regardless of overall balance. A nice, flat responsive street car is a good thing.
ramey
12-13-2011, 05:49 PM
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Most people would also sway you towards better pads/rotors and flush you brakes with better fluid. And run good tires. Then do shocks. If this front bar is good, and comparable to most aftermarket bars. Then buy it and find a matching rear bar. I did the same as BMR tech said. Bigger front and stock rear. I should have done shocks first. Saw a bigger improvement. Edit. Sorry. Seen you already have all that. So why not and you may find the matching rear.
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12-14-2011, 06:54 AM
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I've got the Spohn 32/22 Chromoly setup and the big thing is that it balances out the handling. That combined with the strano springs gets a really good handling setup. I noticed a big difference with the sway bar change both with the springs. The car turns in really well and has a good balance with the ability to rotate when I want it to for autox.
The key is balance. If you have a super tight front end and a loose rear, or vice versa, you'll probably be worse off than before.
The key is balance. If you have a super tight front end and a loose rear, or vice versa, you'll probably be worse off than before.
12-14-2011, 05:35 PM
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i greatly appreciate every ones responses , i deff think i will end up buying them as a pair since i was told that often times if the front is to thick you have to buy the rear to even it out anyway
12-14-2011, 06:34 PM
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A 32mm front with a 19mm is fine balance wise. You won't (and shouldn't) run a bigger rear bar with a 32 in front. The balance is good, in fact my bars and 35/22's in general, are balanced very similarly.... just with a whole lot less body roll.
I of course carry my bars. I also have others, including UMI's which are the same size but solid which makes them a good bit heavier (you trade cost for weight). We use somewhat different hardware as well and I'm a little partial to the links and bushings I use....
I also have other things, like Hotchkis bars and Adjustable rear bars (Hotchkis and Strano) if you want some more flexibility in tuning the balance/response of the car.
I of course carry my bars. I also have others, including UMI's which are the same size but solid which makes them a good bit heavier (you trade cost for weight). We use somewhat different hardware as well and I'm a little partial to the links and bushings I use....
I also have other things, like Hotchkis bars and Adjustable rear bars (Hotchkis and Strano) if you want some more flexibility in tuning the balance/response of the car.
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12-14-2011, 06:57 PM
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I started off by using only the front Spohn 32mm bar and noticed a big difference (but I was on complete stock suspension). Once I added the rear later the suspension only improved. If you're just DDng I'd say you're fine with just the front if you maybe can't afford them both at the same time.
12-17-2011, 11:40 AM
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Im glad you said that bc the guy with the WS6 32mm hollow front actually has the rear also but ill be spending like 150 after both of those plus new bushings and endlinks. I should prob just buy a brand new front and rear kit with endlinks and bushings for a little over 300 and know ill deff see a big improvement.
12-17-2011, 12:20 PM
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Im glad you said that bc the guy with the WS6 32mm hollow front actually has the rear also but ill be spending like 150 after both of those plus new bushings and endlinks. I should prob just buy a brand new front and rear kit with endlinks and bushings for a little over 300 and know ill deff see a big improvement.
I had UMI bars on my car and they were great, only swapped them out because I got a steal on hollow ones
12-17-2011, 03:07 PM
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what brand are the hollow ones? most ppl would prob say just go with solid its not like your cutting 100lbs but i to prefer hollow ones.