1998 Firebird WS6 - 13k Original Miles
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And with that in mind, there is NO justification for expecting original MSRP out of a garden variety '98 WS6 T/A, nice as it may be, with 5-digit mileage. Reason being, the market contains a supply of comparable cars for thousands less. Supply/demand does not support $30k for this car.
But they are a dealer, I'm sure they know this. So the car is either being used as eye candy, or they're hoping that asking such an inflated price will be more likely to yield base offers in the $18-20k range vs. pricing the car fairly in the first place. That way, a buyer feels like he's getting a great deal when he can talk the dealer down by ~$10k or so. This, however, fails to consider all the buyers who will be scared off by such an unrealistic price with which to begin.
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... So the car is either being used as eye candy, or they're hoping that asking such an inflated price will be more likely to yield base offers in the $18-20k range vs. pricing the car fairly in the first place. That way, a buyer feels like he's getting a great deal when he can talk the dealer down by ~$10k or so. This, however, fails to consider all the buyers who will be scared off by such an unrealistic price with which to begin.
Would love to know what this dealer paid for the car as a "favor to a friend." I have a gut feeling that friendship would be severely tested if the truth came out. I just find it comical that BlackRidge chose to come here to ask "what it's worth" when they likely had the notion to ask $29K from the start. The damage has been done. This car will likely sell for way too much money to someone who experiences love at first sight....and any associated dealer hype. You can buy a 400 hp 2001/2002 Z06 Vette with 25K miles for lower $20's.
Fwiw, in Nov 2011 I walked away from a black 2000 WS6 MS6 with 14K miles from a Connecticut Ford dealer...ask price was mid to upper $16K's. I felt it was worth $16K tops, preferably $15,500 (that was based on a similar condition 1999 SS M6 with 12K miles going for $12K at that time....I ended up buying that). I also passed on a 28K mile Pewter 2000 Firehawk Formula M6 locally for $12K, one of 4-6 built in that color. And that car had been on Ebay 3X not being able to find a buyer in the $12K-$13K range.
That 2000 black WS6 looked excellent and drove perfect. 100% unmodded on barely worn orig rubber. Out of the dozen or so cars I looked at to buy at the time, it was the only completely untouched and unmodified car. The sun shades were still in the wrappers. The quiet transmission/clutch didn't make even the slightest noise. That was one good M6. The only nit was a slow moving driver's window which the dealer ship said they would fix. And it sat on the dealer's lot late summer through the following spring. Owner had passed away and the daughter sold it to the dealer. I figured the guy must have been in his 50's when he bought it. So now it's 5 years later....what's that exact same car worth today if still in identical condition and mileage? I don't think it's worth more.
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Count me in the "scared" away group. No way would I want to contribute to such a dealer's livelihood, even if they eventually came down in price to what it was actually worth. There are always other cars to buy. The market has a way of always pointing you towards a better deal...even when you think the deal of a lifetime just got away from you.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/ctd/5853382906.html
Same general options and mileage, less desirable color but more desirable model year. Also located at a dealer, but for $9k less to start. Sure, it needs a bit more engine bay detailing than the OP's car but I don't think that's worth an extra $9k. And again, it took me 3 minutes to find this better deal, it was the first one that popped up on my local CL page with under 20k miles. If I did more searching across multiple sites and greater distance I'm sure I could find several others.
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That's a 2002 too. They bring at least $3K more than a 1998. And that light coating of dust and dirt in the engine bay is fine. I'd almost prefer an original owner never touching the engine bay so I get it as is, and pristine. In fact when I bought my 1999 with 12K miles it looked just like that 2002. My orig owner never dusted the engine bay either. It took me a few hours to clean up all the nooks and crannies in the engine bay. No big deal. Sometimes you can do more damage by constant cleanings. And doing one thorough cleaning of the entire car will show you all the flaws as well. At least, that's my experiences. I detailed my engine bay fully back in 2012 when I bought the car...and never since. A couple of very light 10-15 min. wipe downs every so often with a wet cloth, but that's it. It's stayed clean for the past 4 years. If it's ever time to sell it....then I'll fully detail the car again.
I've often told people if you want to know what a car is really like, tell the owner you'd like to spend 2-3 hours washing, waxing, cleaning and detailing it for them. You'll find the flaws believe me. But, only do this on cars you are sure you are ready to buy based on an "uncleaned" inspection. Sometimes you'll find post mfg paint touch ups you never saw before as it takes just the right light and angle on your back or side cleaning rockers, fenders, and quarter panels.
I've often told people if you want to know what a car is really like, tell the owner you'd like to spend 2-3 hours washing, waxing, cleaning and detailing it for them. You'll find the flaws believe me. But, only do this on cars you are sure you are ready to buy based on an "uncleaned" inspection. Sometimes you'll find post mfg paint touch ups you never saw before as it takes just the right light and angle on your back or side cleaning rockers, fenders, and quarter panels.
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My orig owner never dusted the engine bay either. It took me a few hours to clean up all the nooks and crannies in the engine bay. No big deal. Sometimes you can do more damage by constant cleanings. And doing one thorough cleaning of the entire car will show you all the flaws as well. At least, that's my experiences. I detailed my engine bay fully back in 2012 when I bought the car...and never since. A couple of very light 10-15 min. wipe downs every so often with a wet cloth, but that's it. It's stayed clean for the past 4 years. If it's ever time to sell it....then I'll fully detail the car again.
I've often told people if you want to know what a car is really like, tell the owner you'd like to spend 2-3 hours washing, waxing, cleaning and detailing it for them. You'll find the flaws believe me. But, only do this on cars you are sure you are ready to buy based on an "uncleaned" inspection. Sometimes you'll find post mfg paint touch ups you never saw before as it takes just the right light and angle on your back or side cleaning rockers, fenders, and quarter panels.
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The enthusiast market and the general market for some marques or individual makes can be quite different. I was simply trying to figure out if guys who collect and have forgotten more about these cars than I'll ever know may find some value in a car that skews towards collector grade. Turns out that is not the case and that's totally fine. No reason you can't hope to print a new high price on the off chance you catch valuations rising at the right time or find someone who's been looking for a particular vehicle. After all, the price point, even at full ask, is still very obtainable for most classic car collectors.
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No reason you can't hope to print a new high price on the off chance you catch valuations rising at the right time or find someone who's been looking for a particular vehicle. After all, the price point, even at full ask, is still very obtainable for most classic car collectors.
At least you made it back to your own thread after 3 months. When I put up a thread I expect to have to come back from time to time to see who responds, comment, thank people for their insights, etc. Disappearing on one's own WIW thread is quite rude imo. But we do get those from time to time.
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