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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 05:03 PM
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I'm a nissan tech and the cvt is awesome. It's been out since 2003 and has really worked well. Its main drive is a wide steel belt that runs between two sets of pulleys, rather cool to see. They however do not make and rwd cvt transmissions, which is a buzz kill for sure! Check out the newer nissan and infinity 3.7L v-6 vq37vhr it has vvel which is awesome and had huge performance gains. It still has the conventional cam timing that's cam sprocket controlled but also has a motor on the cam that's like a varraible vtec. Check it out rather innovative
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chuntington101
First off this idea has been around for a long time. UI perosnally haven't really seen anything come of it. Its a good idea, but i bet its a B!TCH toseal the thing under full working load!
First off, I never said it was a new idea. I heard of this about 15 years ago, as Im sure other have too, or probably longer.
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Old Oct 2, 2011 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cutlass_455
First off, I never said it was a new idea. I heard of this about 15 years ago, as Im sure other have too, or probably longer.
Didn't mean to come across as an *ss mate. sorry.

have you seen sleave valves? They where used heavily in British WW2 aero engines in the later stages of the war. supposed to give significant performance advantages of poppet valves (although they had aot of problems sealing poppet valves back in the 1940's).

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Old Oct 2, 2011 | 02:25 PM
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Its alright Chris, no offense taken.

No, I havent heard of them valves, have to look them up.
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Old Oct 2, 2011 | 05:02 PM
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back in the day, fighter planes used a dual lobe cam shaft that the pilot could pull a lever and it would move the camshaft to its high lobe profile. this allowed more power and speed to let them get away. or so I am told by an old college professor...
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Old Oct 3, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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hasnt there been a nagging heat issue with the mag actuated valves? i know MB has been trying to come up with something. theres been stuff flying around since it was released they wanted to go to a 43 volt system.

i think hydraulic would be more feasible, less heat issues.
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Wnts2Go10O
hasnt there been a nagging heat issue with the mag actuated valves? i know MB has been trying to come up with something. theres been stuff flying around since it was released they wanted to go to a 43 volt system.

i think hydraulic would be more feasible, less heat issues.
I know Lotus where carrying out alot of testing. Think thye hwere looking to use a 72volt system.

Would hydraulics work fast enough?
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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chuntington101
I know Lotus where carrying out alot of testing. Think thye hwere looking to use a 72volt system.

Would hydraulics work fast enough?
The amount of work needed to move that pressure of viscous fluid at that speed accurately would be useless compared to the ease of cam actuated valves. Not to mention the large flow losses through those size fittings and valves. Also, as far as I know the gain Lotus was getting from using solenoids was rather minimal too, other than the infinitely variable part.

Originally Posted by chuntington101
First off this idea has been around for a long time. UI perosnally haven't really seen anything come of it. Its a good idea, but i bet its a B!TCH toseal the thing under full working load!
The problem with these valves is that pretty much nothing beats poppet valves in effectiveness and ease of variability. Especially at higher RPM, the poppet valve acts as though it almost isn't there from the air's perspective and can also be used to effectively induce swirl, especially in 2-valve cylinders.

Originally Posted by chuntington101
Didn't mean to come across as an *ss mate. sorry.

have you seen sleave valves? They where used heavily in British WW2 aero engines in the later stages of the war. supposed to give significant performance advantages of poppet valves (although they had aot of problems sealing poppet valves back in the 1940's).

Chris.
While this is an interesting concept and could probably be used to apply EGR to the ports themselves, again poppet valves will be more effective in not slowing the air flow. You also would need to take into account the compressibility of air at higher engine speeds. And you would also be using a free mechanism to induce F/A swirl, thus losing power.
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Old Oct 11, 2011 | 05:09 AM
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It'll probably end up going to a rotary valve type system.

But it all boils down to cost. At the minute, valve/springs are just the cheapest option, they work very well, and work for a very long time.

Until emissions targets cannot be met with existing systems, doubtful they will change.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 12:59 PM
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We have the technology, I just haven't seen anyone put it all together yet.

I've been fortunate to have had my hands in a number of shops, working for some pretty old guys, seen and done a lot, and often think too much.

Mercury Marine built a neat engine for the Corvette years ago that used a 4 valve head with two intake paths, one had a butterfly that stayed closed, using only one port/valve to keep airflow/speed high until engine speed and load require the additional flow of both valves/ports. The motor had a lot of promise.

Back in '79 while working in a bike shop (HD's and Kawasaki's) I was degreeing cams on a KZ900 and started wondering about how I could build a set of 3 adjustable idlers such that I could vary the LSA of the cams and also advance/retard each cam. maximizing HP and torque throughout the entire RPM range.

A four valve head, total VVT, dual intake path, need I say more?
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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 12:14 AM
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i believe kawasaki's last Moto GP bike, before they pulled out of GP, had solenoid operated valves.
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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 05:29 AM
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There is ample technology out there. Making it affordable, reliable and of enough benefit to make it worth putting into either low volume or mass production is a different matter though.

At the minute the only thing forcing some change, are emissions targets.
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