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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:25 PM
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You could mount the tank anywhere really.
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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Is there really no place to mount a oil tank in the engine bays of the LSx motors?
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:56 PM
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The oil tank is 6" or 9" in diameter (round) and 16-24" tall. It requires a little room on one direction for the lines, And it needs either a breather on top or a line to a breather tank. I don't think most trunks have that much vertical room, nor does their seem to be that much space behind a front wheel well.

Typically, the return lines I've seen (and use) are AN16, which are rather big to route through a full trim passenger car.

This is a Peterson tank with built-in filter and breathers:

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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 07:58 PM
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Their rings are a 1.2mm (.047") top moly top ring, 1.2mm second ring, 2mm "lower tension" oil ring. they have an accumulator groove between the top and second ring.

These are smaller rings than any of the off the shelf LS1 pistons, to the best of my knowledge.

GM says "The three-piece oil control ring is 2.0 mm thick and is made of nitrided steel for superior wear control and spring force longevity. Nitriding also enables lower ring tension resulting in more power due to reduced friction." Could someone say why nitriding (a surface hardening treatment) enables lower ring tension and whether aftermarket rings have a similar treatment.
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Old Jun 24, 2006 | 03:19 AM
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I don't get that one either? The dry sump allow a little lower ring tension but I don't think the LS7 system is pulling any vacuum really.



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Their rings are a 1.2mm (.047") top moly top ring, 1.2mm second ring, 2mm "lower tension" oil ring. they have an accumulator groove between the top and second ring.

These are smaller rings than any of the off the shelf LS1 pistons, to the best of my knowledge.

GM says "The three-piece oil control ring is 2.0 mm thick and is made of nitrided steel for superior wear control and spring force longevity. Nitriding also enables lower ring tension resulting in more power due to reduced friction." Could someone say why nitriding (a surface hardening treatment) enables lower ring tension and whether aftermarket rings have a similar treatment.
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Old Jun 24, 2006 | 08:32 AM
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However, they did move the ring size down into the .043 range. And started use the shorted 2.5" pin.

The question may be what their idea of lower tension is. What oil ring tension do you use on small ring, low friction, street engines? Do you use 9-12# tension oil rings?
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Old Jun 24, 2006 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
However, they did move the ring size down into the .043 range. And started use the shorted 2.5" pin.

The question may be what their idea of lower tension is. What oil ring tension do you use on small ring, low friction, street engines? Do you use 9-12# tension oil rings?
It depends on the exact oil ring set as the rings with thicker rails need more tension to work right and the thinner rails do not need as much tension. I use stuff from 11-20# but again it depends on the app.
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Old Jun 24, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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So the surface hardening allows the use of thinner rails which would allow less tension?
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
So the surface hardening allows the use of thinner rails which would allow less tension?
That's all I get ot of it which could be true.
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Old Jun 24, 2006 | 07:50 PM
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What axial and back clearance should be used on gas-ported and non-gas ported .043" top and second rings and 3mm and 3/16 oil rings?
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Old Jun 24, 2006 | 11:55 PM
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Depends on usages and quality of the rings and their position. Tighter is better if it is possible and they don't stick for super high rpm. Great rings with the right coatings and the right oil and piston ring lands can be run pretty tight and you will pick up hp at super high rpm. Rings floating just like valvetrain is a problem at 10,000-20,000 rpm!
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 05:52 AM
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PLEASE, PLEASE look here RACER7088!
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