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[QUOTE=hammertime;8069725]Sorry, but only a fool would honestly believe Power to weight just doesn't support it.
BIGGER THE FOOL I AM IF I TAKE YOU AS THE FOOL!
CONVERSELY,HERES HOW WE SAW YOUR RESULTS.
BEAR THIS IN MIND,THE CAR WAS DYNOED IN 1989 AT THE RUSSEL JONES DYNO IN SYDNEY,ACCOUNT FOR EXACTLY 30% DRIVE TRAIN LOSSES
AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE MORE OF AN IDEA ABOUT THAT CAR.
YOUR CALCULATIONS WITH OTHER CAR ARE SPOT ON
I can go though all sorts of lengths to try to explain them repco dynos
lets just say for the time being they are more the real deal.
because calibration factors are always lower.
3490/ ??? = 12.93lb/HP--------invalidated
3810/376 = 10.13lb/HP
ET = ((W/HP)^.333) x 5.825
((3490/???)^.333) x 5.825 = 13.66 seconds-----invalid
((3810/376)^.333) x 5.825 = 12.60 seconds
MPH = ((HP/W)^.333) x 234
((???/3490)^.333) x 234 = 99.79 mph------invalid
((376/3810)^.333) x 234 = 108.22 mph
I have updated the above which ye did not take into account
which engine dyno the respective vehicle,got its figures from.
Conversely me too,would come into the same conclusion as you
had it been done on the assumed modern day dyno,but thats not the case for reasons explained above.
I HAVE FORWARDED SOME VERIFIED + ACCURATE DATA FOR THEM WHOM WANT TO COMPREHEND THE DYNAMICS OF WEIGHT SHIFTED POWER WITHIN CERTAIN DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS,not of the theory kind but the proven results,it would fair to assume that the drag car will launch faster 60 footers than the rest in mention,after all it had 2-3 cars on the manual before the manual car shifted to 2nd gear.
Conversely anyone who ever contempated that the 60 footers was what I was on about,have misinterpereted,its the weight shifted vehicle mass acceleration we are working on,"after all ,thats where the moneys at,as 3.4 camaro pointed out.
The emphasis is on how the certain combinations can accelerate after the first 60 feet to just before 120mph.
No matter what the dyno suggests old or new, real world acceleration
rates are varied within the applications and variables accounted from them applications from there in.
Sorting out the 60 footers are attributed to chassis,tyre compounds and dimensions,pinion angles,stallspeed and and traction + reaction time,etc etc.
Really it is not governed by power alone so lets keep the 60 footers to making power out of the equation for the time being + observe acceleration of gravitational force over mass.
these are three vital elements that are often miscomprehended,
Its not as easy as assuming the most power is what we all need,
but rather, how to make the power work for you to get the advantage,via means of propelling them flywheels with a far more initial abrupt inertia twisting force with enough weight on the ends to keep that momemtun going between the gearchanges.
Conversely,it goes hand to hand with free stored engergy principles.
HERE WE GOT 4 CARS,3 OF WHICH MAKE GOBSLOAD MORE POWER ON THEIR ENGINE DYNOS THAN THE OTHER WITH THE STOCK VALVES + HORRIBLE CAM.
The other two(more exotic manual cars) are
running the lightest flywheels,clutches and drive trains,as per enduro
race car spec.Conversely the car with the horrible cam,is running
a compromised solution which incorporates weight focused towards the outside diameter of its steel flywheel with the mass taken out towards the inside,so its not as heavy as some may suspect,but rather where should the weight ought to go for smoother power delivery right across the rev range on a multi purpose street,drag,circuit race car to compliment its intended rpm range,gearing+overall chassis gross weight.
THE LITTLE ENGINE WITH THE HORRIBLE CAM WOULD ON ALL ACCOUNTS BLOW EM TO THE WEEDS AT TRAFFIC LIGHT GRUDGE MATCHES AT THE VERY LEAST! DESPITE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING SETUP FOR THE QUARTER MILE.
THERES ONE TRUTH REGARDLESS THAT WILL FOREVER BE
You cannot race dynos
BIGGER THE FOOL I AM IF I TAKE YOU AS THE FOOL!
CONVERSELY,HERES HOW WE SAW YOUR RESULTS.
BEAR THIS IN MIND,THE CAR WAS DYNOED IN 1989 AT THE RUSSEL JONES DYNO IN SYDNEY,ACCOUNT FOR EXACTLY 30% DRIVE TRAIN LOSSES
AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE MORE OF AN IDEA ABOUT THAT CAR.
YOUR CALCULATIONS WITH OTHER CAR ARE SPOT ON
I can go though all sorts of lengths to try to explain them repco dynos
lets just say for the time being they are more the real deal.
because calibration factors are always lower.
3490/ ??? = 12.93lb/HP--------invalidated
3810/376 = 10.13lb/HP
ET = ((W/HP)^.333) x 5.825
((3490/???)^.333) x 5.825 = 13.66 seconds-----invalid
((3810/376)^.333) x 5.825 = 12.60 seconds
MPH = ((HP/W)^.333) x 234
((???/3490)^.333) x 234 = 99.79 mph------invalid
((376/3810)^.333) x 234 = 108.22 mph
I have updated the above which ye did not take into account
which engine dyno the respective vehicle,got its figures from.
Conversely me too,would come into the same conclusion as you
had it been done on the assumed modern day dyno,but thats not the case for reasons explained above.
I HAVE FORWARDED SOME VERIFIED + ACCURATE DATA FOR THEM WHOM WANT TO COMPREHEND THE DYNAMICS OF WEIGHT SHIFTED POWER WITHIN CERTAIN DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS,not of the theory kind but the proven results,it would fair to assume that the drag car will launch faster 60 footers than the rest in mention,after all it had 2-3 cars on the manual before the manual car shifted to 2nd gear.
Conversely anyone who ever contempated that the 60 footers was what I was on about,have misinterpereted,its the weight shifted vehicle mass acceleration we are working on,"after all ,thats where the moneys at,as 3.4 camaro pointed out.
The emphasis is on how the certain combinations can accelerate after the first 60 feet to just before 120mph.
No matter what the dyno suggests old or new, real world acceleration
rates are varied within the applications and variables accounted from them applications from there in.
Sorting out the 60 footers are attributed to chassis,tyre compounds and dimensions,pinion angles,stallspeed and and traction + reaction time,etc etc.
Really it is not governed by power alone so lets keep the 60 footers to making power out of the equation for the time being + observe acceleration of gravitational force over mass.
these are three vital elements that are often miscomprehended,
Its not as easy as assuming the most power is what we all need,
but rather, how to make the power work for you to get the advantage,via means of propelling them flywheels with a far more initial abrupt inertia twisting force with enough weight on the ends to keep that momemtun going between the gearchanges.
Conversely,it goes hand to hand with free stored engergy principles.
HERE WE GOT 4 CARS,3 OF WHICH MAKE GOBSLOAD MORE POWER ON THEIR ENGINE DYNOS THAN THE OTHER WITH THE STOCK VALVES + HORRIBLE CAM.
The other two(more exotic manual cars) are
running the lightest flywheels,clutches and drive trains,as per enduro
race car spec.Conversely the car with the horrible cam,is running
a compromised solution which incorporates weight focused towards the outside diameter of its steel flywheel with the mass taken out towards the inside,so its not as heavy as some may suspect,but rather where should the weight ought to go for smoother power delivery right across the rev range on a multi purpose street,drag,circuit race car to compliment its intended rpm range,gearing+overall chassis gross weight.
THE LITTLE ENGINE WITH THE HORRIBLE CAM WOULD ON ALL ACCOUNTS BLOW EM TO THE WEEDS AT TRAFFIC LIGHT GRUDGE MATCHES AT THE VERY LEAST! DESPITE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING SETUP FOR THE QUARTER MILE.
THERES ONE TRUTH REGARDLESS THAT WILL FOREVER BE
You cannot race dynos
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11-07-2007, 08:38 AM
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Somehow that would be nice, not sure if it will happen in the end though.
WHAT? DID YOU SAY SOMETHING? I COULDN'T MAKE IT OUT CLEARLY, MY EARS ARE RINGING...
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That pic rocks! Although I fear you might be going to hell for it. It just ain't right man. JK!
I WOULD EXPECT SOMEONE THAT CONSIDERS ADVANCED ENGINEERING AS A GIMMICK OR JOKE, COME UP WITH A COMMENT LIKE THAT
CONVERSLY IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A LAUGH THEN I SUGGEST YE PARTAKE IN SOME COMEDIAN FORUMS WHERE
YE WILL COME ACROSS YOUR COMEDIANS TOO!
AS FOR MYSELF I TAKE EVERYONE SERIOUSLY EVEN MORESO THEM
THAT PERTAIN TO ERRORS SEEMINGLY ON MY PART WHICH INTERM
I WILL COMPETENTLY PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO GETS EM ON THE STRAIGHT+ NARROW,YE DIG!
Ok ,the keyboard is fixed now.
God dammit young gun,this is advanced engineering
you will only be limited by your own imagination to the concept of comprehending alternative + proven viable principles
which by god are very well to do with hp/per litre rules and the certain variables that pertain to the concept such as what I said
in me first post on this thread!
So if in doubt,re read the fu'kn thing!
Conversely when the thread is not compromised by the likes
of you whom prefer to resort to the fools way moral,then go for it champ, and then smoked by the mustang boys!
The sooner you delete certain irrelevant posts you forwarded,(with exception to your moral obligation to enter in a discussion without provoking the truth)maybe then,the sooner you might run nines too,without the gas on pump fuel with a 346 ci engine, if your prepared to comprehend and do all ye hard yakka,as opposed to borrowing someone elses wallet,then getting the pro stock blokes do it for you.(the big rev option)lotsa money,bigger holes + methanol too, if ye fairdinkum about he biggest n/a numbers for every given litre of capacity.are you starting to understand how the puzzle works here?
without in so much as consideration to have the courage to enter in a meaningfull debate by definition there is no doubt to attain the max bhp/ltr
on any given engine you go with the methanol fuel
Conversely if your fortunate enough to have a good friend or relative
that knows their stuff and show you how its done, with money no object agenda,congratulations you have just earn't your self
a free ticket to stardom.
----
The more you chip in,the more you will learn + the faster you learn,
the faster you will go.
Irrespective whether you think me as the fool or anyone else for that matter.just make sure ye respect them that went out of their way looking after you,and stand within reason for every equation
thats been provided for ye.
Gods good!
CONVERSLY IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A LAUGH THEN I SUGGEST YE PARTAKE IN SOME COMEDIAN FORUMS WHERE
YE WILL COME ACROSS YOUR COMEDIANS TOO!
AS FOR MYSELF I TAKE EVERYONE SERIOUSLY EVEN MORESO THEM
THAT PERTAIN TO ERRORS SEEMINGLY ON MY PART WHICH INTERM
I WILL COMPETENTLY PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO GETS EM ON THE STRAIGHT+ NARROW,YE DIG!
Ok ,the keyboard is fixed now.
God dammit young gun,this is advanced engineering
you will only be limited by your own imagination to the concept of comprehending alternative + proven viable principles
which by god are very well to do with hp/per litre rules and the certain variables that pertain to the concept such as what I said
in me first post on this thread!
So if in doubt,re read the fu'kn thing!
Conversely when the thread is not compromised by the likes
of you whom prefer to resort to the fools way moral,then go for it champ, and then smoked by the mustang boys!
The sooner you delete certain irrelevant posts you forwarded,(with exception to your moral obligation to enter in a discussion without provoking the truth)maybe then,the sooner you might run nines too,without the gas on pump fuel with a 346 ci engine, if your prepared to comprehend and do all ye hard yakka,as opposed to borrowing someone elses wallet,then getting the pro stock blokes do it for you.(the big rev option)lotsa money,bigger holes + methanol too, if ye fairdinkum about he biggest n/a numbers for every given litre of capacity.are you starting to understand how the puzzle works here?
without in so much as consideration to have the courage to enter in a meaningfull debate by definition there is no doubt to attain the max bhp/ltr
on any given engine you go with the methanol fuel
Conversely if your fortunate enough to have a good friend or relative
that knows their stuff and show you how its done, with money no object agenda,congratulations you have just earn't your self
a free ticket to stardom.
----The more you chip in,the more you will learn + the faster you learn,
the faster you will go.
Irrespective whether you think me as the fool or anyone else for that matter.just make sure ye respect them that went out of their way looking after you,and stand within reason for every equation
thats been provided for ye.
Gods good!
Ok ,the keyboard is fixed now.
>>>
Eh, it's still attached....
without in so much as consideration to have the courage to enter in a meaningfull debate by definition there is no doubt to attain the max bhp/ltr
on any given engine you go with the methanol fuel
>>>
to enter in a meaningfull debate
>>>
I still have several questions asked of you that are still out standing...
How much is a gallon of ( dare I say it? ) Meth?
I asked once before about Meth at a 7-11 and got a few weird looks from some peeps...
not of the theory kind but the proven results,it would fair to assume that the drag car will launch faster 60 footers than the rest in mention,after all it had 2-3 cars on the manual before the manual car shifted to 2nd gear.
>>>
Now we are to learn the 5 speed car lost the entire first gear by three car lenghts to the 3 speed car...
The five speed car WON by 12 total lenghts in the "approx" 1/4 and it would seem now we have learned the 3 speed car traps "approx" 120 mph in the 1/4...( still don't know what gear it's in though
)It's nice to know the 5 speed car was more than able to not only win by 12 cars but also to make up the 3 car lengths it lost in the whole first gear. ( you did mention it HOOKED up and just launched, so then it must have chewed up some realestate while in FIRST gear.
I don't see two extra gears helping as much as your claiming with that LOW amount of HP on the 5 speed car.
That car must pull 3rd and 4th like a bitch!
What gear was the 3 speed car in when the 5 speed car shifted into 4th???
I thought you said, " to forget about 60 footers "???
I can try and type my QUESTIONS in CAPS if you think it will help any.
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Firstly,I WANT TO SINCERELY APOLOGISE FOR THE MANNER I RESPONDED THE OTHER DAY.
left the caps on to make it loud n clear,I were a big sak I know!
shewd disrespect out of error in the context.
I hope some explanations have been accounted for,+ more look forward to your correspondance too,even if it means me copping another shiner.
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How much is a gallon of ( dare I say it? ) Meth?
I asked once before about Meth at a 7-11 and got a few weird looks from some peeps...
not of the theory kind but the proven results,it would fair to assume that the drag car will launch faster 60 footers than the rest in mention,after all it had 2-3 cars on the manual before the manual car shifted to 2nd gear.
>>>
Now we are to learn the 5 speed car lost the entire first gear by three car lenghts to the 3 speed car...
And WON by 12 total lenghts in the "approx" 1/4 and it would seem now we have learned the 3 speed car traps "approx" 120 mph in the 1/4...( still don't know what gear it's in though )
It's nice to know the 5 speed car was more than able to not only win by 12 cars but also to make up the 3 car lengths it lost in the whole first gear. ( you did mention it HOOKED up and just launched, so then it must have chewed up some realestate while in FIRST gear.
I don't see two extra gears helping as much as your claiming with that LOW amount of HP on the 5 speed car.
That car must pull 3rd and 4th like a bitch!
What gear was the 3 speed car in when the 5 speed car shifted into 4th??
I didn't know they sell methanol at 7-11s over there?
lets just say its affordable enough.
The auto car ran street/strip hoosiers,which contributed towards the sixty footers,and the manual ran the street yokohamas lost abit of grip there too.
top gear for the auto,conversely the manual had a usefull 4th gear too that barely lost momemtum because of its flywheel design.
3rd to 4th gears were a snack,do that with an alloy flywheel with them tall gears ye sure gonna bog it up nuff to lose the odd 10th or two, in just the one gearchange,let alone half a secs worth for the three,on that combination,less of if the car was lighter and ran the 4.44 one tonner gears,each to their own merits.
Conversely,do you know how much coin or xtra effort racers go through to gain the xtra few tenths let alone .5s worth?
more than enough to substantiate a fair slice towards government
taxes to say the very least
Consider this,if drag racing was the order of the day the manual car would not have been fitted with a heavy mk1V oz gm airconditioner with the bets actually attached,nor the long range alloy 29gallon fuel tank for starters,needles to say what else could be tossed out too
withe the 4.44 gears + slicks and weight reduction scheme undoubtably
the 60 footers would improve.but not because the power output of the engine
has changed!why I implied acceleration after the 60 footers for the time being.
I asked once before about Meth at a 7-11 and got a few weird looks from some peeps...
not of the theory kind but the proven results,it would fair to assume that the drag car will launch faster 60 footers than the rest in mention,after all it had 2-3 cars on the manual before the manual car shifted to 2nd gear.
>>>
Now we are to learn the 5 speed car lost the entire first gear by three car lenghts to the 3 speed car...
And WON by 12 total lenghts in the "approx" 1/4 and it would seem now we have learned the 3 speed car traps "approx" 120 mph in the 1/4...( still don't know what gear it's in though
)It's nice to know the 5 speed car was more than able to not only win by 12 cars but also to make up the 3 car lengths it lost in the whole first gear. ( you did mention it HOOKED up and just launched, so then it must have chewed up some realestate while in FIRST gear.
I don't see two extra gears helping as much as your claiming with that LOW amount of HP on the 5 speed car.
That car must pull 3rd and 4th like a bitch!
What gear was the 3 speed car in when the 5 speed car shifted into 4th??
I didn't know they sell methanol at 7-11s over there?
lets just say its affordable enough.
The auto car ran street/strip hoosiers,which contributed towards the sixty footers,and the manual ran the street yokohamas lost abit of grip there too.
top gear for the auto,conversely the manual had a usefull 4th gear too that barely lost momemtum because of its flywheel design.
3rd to 4th gears were a snack,do that with an alloy flywheel with them tall gears ye sure gonna bog it up nuff to lose the odd 10th or two, in just the one gearchange,let alone half a secs worth for the three,on that combination,less of if the car was lighter and ran the 4.44 one tonner gears,each to their own merits.
Conversely,do you know how much coin or xtra effort racers go through to gain the xtra few tenths let alone .5s worth?
more than enough to substantiate a fair slice towards government
taxes to say the very least
Consider this,if drag racing was the order of the day the manual car would not have been fitted with a heavy mk1V oz gm airconditioner with the bets actually attached,nor the long range alloy 29gallon fuel tank for starters,needles to say what else could be tossed out too
withe the 4.44 gears + slicks and weight reduction scheme undoubtably
the 60 footers would improve.but not because the power output of the engine
has changed!why I implied acceleration after the 60 footers for the time being.
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Man, as if this stuff wasn't hard enough to read! Now it seems like the quotes randomly appear with or without the necessary tags to distinguish them from the reply...
Originally Posted by B T
This thread is getting a little tiny tiny and just a slightly bit, OFF TOPIC!
11-07-2007, 06:58 PM
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Fixed!
BT has edited prior posting for your viewing pleasure and for easier reading comprehension! ( like it's really gonna help...
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Have you seen this link before?
3rd pargraph, 2nd sentence...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=724636
I'm gonna ask the missus if she can heads over to kmart
and go and gets some methanol
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Have her pick up some Petrol while she is in there.
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Id rather her pickup avgas from work,(harbour city aviation)
but with ye kmart methanol,it would be way cheaper.
they do sell methanol in kmart don't they?
cause they looked at me kinda odd when I asked at th 7-11
over here.
so what mule BT do you drive?
but with ye kmart methanol,it would be way cheaper.
they do sell methanol in kmart don't they?
cause they looked at me kinda odd when I asked at th 7-11
over here.
so what mule BT do you drive?
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1984 Mustang 4cyl/turbo
and it runs on gasoline.
cause they looked at me kinda odd when I asked at th 7-11
over here.
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Ain't it the weirdest thing?
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For the first part, I'm going to go ahead and venture a guess and say that the gearing helped the small car and hurt the bigger car. As for the Monaro, that's pretty cool. I don't really follow endurance racing, but I love to see LSxs beat up on more expensive engines in more expensive cars.
the others capabiltiles regardless where the car is built, in this instance
Australia(GRMOTORSPORT) http://www.grmotorsport.com.au/html/...me.asp?id=home
the fact remains they did it with American muscle + technology
which was designed from good ol engineering know how without he gimmicks.Conversely the 427ci engine,has enourmous potential to easily pass emmisions and work with any type of chassis being truck,rv,fb,with unlimeted boundarys.
I wonder How ferrari,bmw,honda or porsche engines with the arguable top notch bench mark bhp/ltr outputs,would work on a ford f350 !
If ye ask me,most of these leading exotic manufactures waste too much time trying to reinvent the engine rather than stick to a plan
and expand from within.
I Mean here we have a virtual truck engine that showed em fuss pots,how its done.
At least the europeans are slowly gaining the courage to catch up,
as far as engine capacity goes,otherwise why did they ditch
the 3.2 litre 6 for the 4 litre v8?
Could it be that they are starting to learn the most basic principles
that evolved from the usa or even australia whom harvested too?
However there are areas in the equation,that needs to be worked on which
is improving torque multiplication with carefully selected gear ratios.
This is where gm both in the usa and offshore lsx cars,trucks+rvs+fb
could really learn something from the europeans.
I cannot comprehend why the ratio options are not exactly here we want them too be?
Maybe one day GM will incorporate an ultra close ratio with the
taller----1st--2nd--3rd--4th--5th---6th gear for the cruise that has ample provision to maximise usable torque wilst improving fuel efficiency too,with them 4.1 ratios as standard or at the very least GM performance
incorporate these as feasable options in the future,to compliment the next generation lsx cars.
As for ye guess,it is consistent,except the differential gearing didn't help the small car either,but at least,it had more ratios on hand after the 60 feet,the gearing did't help the bigger car either,with only the limited cogs avalable with its higher peak horsepower engine.
Conversely as the case years back I ran a datsun 1600 with the 302smallblock ford engine ,affixed with a 3.5 ratio diff and close ratio bw 4 speed transmission.
that car raced against comparable power to weight street cars but not of the faster kind(bar the one),the engine in the datsun had approx 225 bhp at the flywheel,the other players had 320+bhp or more in their cars,much as I could gather,The datto was lighter than most of them cars but at the same time had the least power too,It was bog stock with onlly a 2 barrel holley fitted.
Back in them days with the group,we used to compete at a refferenced test track,which had limited provision to allow ample time for the brakes.despite most of them races against the auto cars and other manual cars within give or take power to weight ratios. the datto won 10 races and only one of them,despite using a manual transmission.
The race it lost, was against a very tidy looking mopar with the 340ci very warm engine,ran a race prepped torqueflite with stall converter+ more srtip oriented diff ratio,(so was told),I never knew the driver, let alone saw who he was,it didn't matter,a friend cam over and told me that bloke wants to race,so natrually away we went.He 60ft ed better and got 2 cars advantage,I changed to 2nd ,then started to reel him inwithin a cars length and it now started to look good
But just as I thought there was enough momentum going and at the rate things were seeming,something odd happened which I never
experienced before
he started to pull away in a manner I couldn't comprehend
Despite nailing the pedal to the floor harder than ever before,reaffiming my oppression,kept the pedal to the metal, till I had him, despite his 7-8 car advantage!so determined I were.
Finally I did pass,but only after the game was well over,when he backed off the throttle and saw his brakes lights on.Despite so,I was so obsessed, I hit the anchors very much later
and had to flick the car completely to a ninety degee slideat well over a 110mph,to avoid running into the intersection brick wall!
It wasnt until 20 years later I got the answer to that unexplained mystery as to why that mopar accelerated the way it did?
That mopar ran nitrous!
,guess the manuals cant beat them autos certain times too. -----
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the differential gearing didn't help the small car but atleast had more ratios on hand after the 60 footer,the gearing did't help the bigger car either,with only its cogs avalable with its higher peak horsepower engine.
Conversely as the case years back I ran a datsun 1600 with the 302smallblock ford engine ,affixed with a 3.5 ratio diff and close ratio bw 4 speed
transmission.
that car raced against comparable power to weight street cars but not of the faster kind(bar the one),the engine in the datsun had approx 225 bhp at the flywheel,the other players had 320+bhp or more in their cars,much as I could gather,The datto was lighter than most of them cars but at the same time had the least power too,It was bog stock with onlly a 2 barrel holley fitted.
Back in them days with the group,we used to compete at a refferenced test track,which had limited provision to allow ample time for the brakes.despite most of them races against the auto cars and other manual cars within give or take power to weight ratios. the datto won 10 races and only one of them,despite using a manual transmission.
Conversely the race it lost was against a very tidy looking mopar with the 340ci very warm engine,ran a race prepped torqueflite with stall converter,+ more strip oriented diff ratio,(so i was told),I never knew the driver let alone
seen who he was,it didn't matter,a friend cam over and told me that bloke wants to race me,so away we went,he 60ft ed better than me got abouts
2 cars advantage,I changed to 2nd and started to reel him back within
a cars length and it started to look good
but then just as I thought there was enough momentum to reel him in
at the rate things were looking,something odd happened which I never
experienced before
he started to pull away in a manner I couldn't comprehend
Despite nailing the pedal to the floor harder than ever before,+ to the point
of oppression,regardless kept the pedal to the metal, till I was content in beating him, despite his 7-8 car advantage!
Eventually I did pass,bout only after the game was well over and he backing off the throttle,I was so oppressed and committed I hit the anchors very late,
and had to flick the car completely to a ninety degee slide
at well over a 110mph,to avoid running into the intersection brick wall!
It wasnt until 20 years later I got the answer to that unexplained mystery as to why that mopar accelerated the way it did?
That mopar ran nitrous!
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Conversely as the case years back I ran a datsun 1600 with the 302smallblock ford engine ,affixed with a 3.5 ratio diff and close ratio bw 4 speed
transmission.
that car raced against comparable power to weight street cars but not of the faster kind(bar the one),the engine in the datsun had approx 225 bhp at the flywheel,the other players had 320+bhp or more in their cars,much as I could gather,The datto was lighter than most of them cars but at the same time had the least power too,It was bog stock with onlly a 2 barrel holley fitted.
Back in them days with the group,we used to compete at a refferenced test track,which had limited provision to allow ample time for the brakes.despite most of them races against the auto cars and other manual cars within give or take power to weight ratios. the datto won 10 races and only one of them,despite using a manual transmission.
Conversely the race it lost was against a very tidy looking mopar with the 340ci very warm engine,ran a race prepped torqueflite with stall converter,+ more strip oriented diff ratio,(so i was told),I never knew the driver let alone
seen who he was,it didn't matter,a friend cam over and told me that bloke wants to race me,so away we went,he 60ft ed better than me got abouts
2 cars advantage,I changed to 2nd and started to reel him back within
a cars length and it started to look good
but then just as I thought there was enough momentum to reel him in
at the rate things were looking,something odd happened which I never
experienced before
he started to pull away in a manner I couldn't comprehend
Despite nailing the pedal to the floor harder than ever before,+ to the point
of oppression,regardless kept the pedal to the metal, till I was content in beating him, despite his 7-8 car advantage!
Eventually I did pass,bout only after the game was well over and he backing off the throttle,I was so oppressed and committed I hit the anchors very late,
and had to flick the car completely to a ninety degee slideat well over a 110mph,to avoid running into the intersection brick wall!
It wasnt until 20 years later I got the answer to that unexplained mystery as to why that mopar accelerated the way it did?
That mopar ran nitrous!
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Nice Kill! Last edited by B T; 11-08-2007 at 01:34 AM.