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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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Does anyone have any information on how much loading is transmitted by the timing chain? I am curious about some of the aftermarket timing sets that have separated the lower crankshaft sprocket into two pieces, one being the chain sprocket and the other being the oil drive. The chain sprocket typically has more than one key machined for timing purposes. Cloyes, Comp and Rollmaster single chain timing sets all have this type of design.

What I am wondering is "has the load limit now been shifted from the timing chain being the weak link in the system to the crankshaft key", which now has minimal engagement as compared to the stock crankshaft sprocket design.

Any technical information out there on this one?
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 06:21 PM
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No.

Easier/cheaper for manufacturing.

Keyway is an index not load bearing or not supposed to be. Balancers must have frictional contact to work although yea an index could keep from spinning on modified motors.
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 06:50 PM
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Not the balancer, this is the sprocket driving the timing chain and it will transmit loads through the key in the crankshaft.
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by vettenuts
Not the balancer, this is the sprocket driving the timing chain and it will transmit loads through the key in the crankshaft.
In reference to our types of motors, the balancer IS part of the story. The keyway isn't a driving/driven member. Given the balancer bolt is properly torqued.... The ASM is supposed to be sandwitched and that is how it works and why some people have problems with supercharging and such.



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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 05:08 AM
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How is the balancer driving the timing chain and the camshaft? There is some friction there, but isn't the majority of the load is through the key.

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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 11:06 AM
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Yes, you are correct. I just spoke with someone at Cloyes and they told me (which I didn't know) there is a taper on the crank and the press fit through the balancer and the geroter provides enough frictional load to drive the crank sprocket and valve train without the key in place.

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Originally Posted by vettenuts
Yes, you are correct. I just spoke with someone at Cloyes and they told me (which I didn't know) there is a taper on the crank and the press fit through the balancer and the geroter provides enough frictional load to drive the crank sprocket and valve train without the key in place.

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Yea! That is what I was trying to explain but couldn't get the exact words. But if the frictional force couldn't hold it you would still have the keys.

The multikeyed sprockets won't hurt even though they have more material removed. Cool stuff.

I have heard of some people having trouble with super modified motors. The frictional force just couldn't do it.
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 02:43 PM
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The taper should help as well where the sprocket contacts the crankshaft.
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