This is where Ive had enough..Your tune has a max timing at 27 deg after 6000 RPM at 85+ WOT. Who ever is telling you this needs help reading the tune or its not my tune. Any tuning from me HAS NEVER HAD 40 DEG AT WOT !

I have the last tune and dyno log files for those who want to see..just PM me.

 

You know this is my car and I ask you two weeks ago to give me the tunes and you HAVE NOT. So where is the data log and the tunes THAT I ASK FOR? YOU KNOW I HAVE 55K IN THIS MOTOR AND NOT ONE DAMN GOOD ANSWER FROM YOU, SO WHY DONT YOU GIVE ME THE TUNES THAT I PAID FOR . I have a broken block, burned up pistons, trashed cam,trashed crank,trashed rods, hole in the oil pan, and all you can say is I will pm a tune if you ask for it. Hell they belong to me so give me the data logs and the tune on a CD like I asked for two weeks ago. By the way where is the LSX block I ask for to replase this POS block I have. By the way the first set of pistons look just like these. Burned up with holes in them that you tryed to blame on me for the wrong plugs. If I installed the wrong plugs and you installed the right ones on this rebuild, then why are these pistons burned up just like the first set???????

 

The "bulldog" Lashley approach..

My problem is you and Morgan get on here making statements on info that you are not even sure on.
-First you say the fuel pressure is 25lbs and thats the problem then you check it ans say thats its ok at 45lbs.
-You call other people in the business and tell them "Allans tune blew my motor" even before you know what it really is. Then deny the statements when I confront you about it, and its other people then just Madman
-You say the tuning as 40 degress of timing even before your tuner as looked at it.
-You say you have $55k in the motor but your spreedsheet that we e-mailed back and forth says $38K?
-You burned up plugs since they were TR6's and blamed that on the last shop ..you said "I put back what they had in there" that detonated the first motor, so I fixed the motor for what the parts cost me and charged you no labor. I explained to you what I thought happened this time for the detanation,but you picked everything up before I could finish inspecting everything.
-Went through all the transmission issues which is the only reason the car has never made a good full pass. Well 5.87@120 1/8 mile in testing.

You called me with your medical story and cusing the other shop that had it and begged me to take it and get it straigtned out. I agreed to and fixed ALOT of issues with the car and set your trailer up for you. Then you say "we supected the tuning was an issue the past 2 months" and "we are pulling the tune out the box but we wouldnt be suprised if Allan took it out". Your tune is still in the box just read it.

Yes your motor failed and I feel for you. You find out what happened to correct it not just jump the gun and blaming something which you are not sure of.

Like you told your helper that day "get me a ladder so I can climb get off his back" !

 

Fuel pressure:

Car is at my shop and the fuel pressure is 55 lbs where you set it.

Madman

I ask Madman if he would set up the suspension on this car and make some fine tunes on the BS3 if needed. He was busy at the time so car was not taken to his shop.

Tune

Tune I was talking about is the first tune on the motor before the first piston failure. Timing is set at 30.

Plugs

You blamed the first failure on the wrong plugs being installed. Car was burning the tips off the ends of the plugs. Car was brought back to you for cause investigation. You informed me that the 6’s were to hot of a plug and caused the piston failure due to wrong plug. Now you must be the smartest person in this business because in other engine builder’s opinions plugs did not burn the pistons tuning did. I can and will post two sets of photos of the first set that burned up and the second set that burned up. The only difference in the photos will be exhaust valves hitting the second burned set pistons. Let the photos speak for themselves.

After paying for the parts for a rebuild same burned pistons with the plugs of you’re choosing. If it is still plug issues please explain.

Motor Cost

You have omitted the cost of the C5R block ($6,500.00) and the machine work for the Jesel belt drive and lifter bushing install. Freight to the machine shop and back was also not included in your reply that is an additional $10,000.00.

Personal Issues

My health is not an issue in this matter. I called you and told you that my doctor stated “it would be risky behavior for me to drive this car based on the blood thinner I’m taking”. Based on his advice I called you and asked if you would like to take this car and finish this 4 plus year project. You agreed to, there was no begging.






Cussing the other shop?

No other shop was given the opportunity to tune or build this motor at any time. It was all yours from the beginning until now. Again you hand picked all the parts and built this motor based on your own specifications. Goal was an 8 second car NA.


Other Issues you posted:

You were paid to address these small issues. You wanted a golf cart and set the trailer up the way you wanted it. Again I paid for all of this what’s your problem.

Transmission Issues

You installed a transmission of your choosing and even had me buy a different converter because you did not like TCI. Remember I came to Baton Rouge to watch you test the car at the track that I paid to rent for this test and tune. You informed me that the converter would not stall at the 6700 rpm that it was designed for. You decided to foot break it. You made two passes that entire day. First pass was a 10 second pass at 141 mph. The second pass the car would not even leave the line with out skipping and popping. You shut it down and said “I will take it back to the shop so that I can find the problem”. Several days later you called me and said “found the problem with the converter, it is now stalling at 6000 plus”. Next day you called and informed me that #7 had oil on the plug and you would have to pull the head to find out why. You then called to inform me that #7 rod had broken. How did the rod break between getting oil on the plug and you pulling the head? The pan had a hole in it and you had to know that. You had to know the rod had broken before you pulled the head.

Tune in the box

If not the best one of the best tuners lives in the Atlanta area. He came by two weeks ago to pull the data from the box. Guess what, you removed the communication cord from the car. I called you and asked you to ship it back and you said “it’s still in the car somewhere”. It’s not a big car, Allan and it’s not in the damn car and you have not shipped it back to me. He is coming by today with a cord to collect the data for me. Nobody that I know of has claimed that the data was removed or deleted but you.

Again I paid for these tunes and testing. I have asked you to burn me a CD with all the tunes and data logs that you made on my car. They belong to me and you still have not sent them to me after two now three weeks. You offer to send these tunes to people on the internet if they send you a pm, how about me, I own the damn data send it to me or are you afraid you will burn the CD like you did the pistons.



Blame

After almost four years of excuses, delays, Hurricanes, whining from you that you don’t have the time, weather is bad, weather is to hot, it rained today and on an on this project is over. I ask you to send me a new LSX block and pistons you said you have so that I could go on with this project. You have not communicated with me in any way or sent these items. The day I picked the car up the only answer you had for me about the broken engine was “I don’t know what happened mechanical problems just happen. I have not had time to investigate the failure cause”. After almost four years and over $125,000.00 dollars invested in this project that you willingly participated in, the only answers you give me are I don’t know.

This thread started out as a means to find out what went wrong so that the same mistakes would not be made again. No blame was implied only photos showing the damage and some questions about why. All if not many of these replies have been good advise. Let’s remember it is the Advanced TECH sections not the bitch and dirty laundry section. People come on here to share their knowledge and experiences with LS1 based motors. Opinions are only opinions based on what evidence you have in front of you at the time. As this investigation goes on more and more will be learned from the damage pieces. At no time Allan has anybody stopped you from getting in your car/truck and coming to Atlanta to make your own findings. If you cared about your reputation in this business you would make the trip and learn with the rest of us instead of thinking you know it all.

Son I make a living off other peoples inability to provide a service they have over sold. In your case admitting you made a mistake is the first lesson in becoming a good business manager.

 

If this thread is about the motor then keep it on that subject..not bringing up the tuning. You say Iam the only one to ever tune it then say it had 40+ timing which it never had from me, and now you say it has 30?

Guess Madman is lying now.

Funny the trans I put in for 2 runs picked up almost 10 MPH over your TCI and the converter I had built for it would actually stall at 7200 were it needed it and would actually leave? Yes I had to work the tune a little to get the motor to even try to get on the brake and only go to 6400.

I have no problem taking blame on the motor build IF it's something I did, but your new engine people cant figure out what happened according to you.

Your pistons,files and a spare cable I have are on the way to you...

 

**ADDED VIDEOS**

Wish I had more, but never got an actual run in.

Here are the last two videos of the car running:

http://www.flickr.com/mlashley

 

Videos are the worse thing ever for Flickr.

What happened on that launch?

 

niceeeeeee

 

Here are more pictures as the motor has been taken apart. 15 pistons that look just like this.
They burnt up after two runs at the track and however many dyno pulls it took.
Does it look like the transmission caused the pistons to burn up like this? (Sarcasm)

 

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Morgan indicated that he made Alan an offer on how they can move on, ball is in Alan's court. I'd like to see both sides move on the offer extended sounded very reasonable, that's just my 2 cents good luck guys.

 

What brand pistons are those?It looks very thin at the edge of the piston on the intake valve relief.

 

WOW, Twice in a row!!!

 

Diamond pistons. Definatly too thin there. They were some custom ordered by the engine builder. Detonation just melted them. Our new setup is going to be a diferent piston style, but still gonna be a Diamond piston I believe.

 

Are you still with the coils or did you switch to a distributer.Was the motor ever checked with the timing light to make sure you were at the the correct timing that bigstuff was set at in the cell.Also is it possible that if the piston was coming apart that maybe it could have caused detonation from the chunks of piston rattling around.

 

Still waiting on pistons, files,spare cable and block.

EDIT: Just got a phone call that something is at the office.

 

Looks like detonation to me to not just something bouncing around!!

 

What was the determination by the tuner, as to what the tune looked like??