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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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can i retrofit a wasted spark ignition to a ls series engine ?

i mean are there allways 2 pistons at tdc at the same time ? (one in exhaust stroke and one in combustion stroke)

the heads were off the engine but i forgot to check that
i'm not really into the v8 engine layout...

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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 04:42 PM
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 02:02 AM
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what are the reasons for doing this?? are yuo fitting an after market ECU??

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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 04:44 PM
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yep.
but the ecu's i use can only do 4 coils seperate, so thats why i would need to do the wasted spark...
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 10:42 PM
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Use a FAST eDist and run the stock coils.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 11:53 PM
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I would suspect that even with a mild 220/220 114 cam you would run in to a little issue with the intake stroke seeing a fire. 220/220 on a 114 ICL is at 20.5* BTDC with .006" lift and .050" is at 4* ATDC. Move that same small cam to a 112 ICL with 2* advance and your at 24.5* BTDC for your .006" and 0* for .050"

I'm no expert, but I would think you might cause either back firing or some weird burn before even filling the cyl...
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jeejee
yep.
but the ecu's i use can only do 4 coils seperate, so thats why i would need to do the wasted spark...
what ECU?? have you spoke to the manufacturers?? they maybe able to sell you an upgrade or something to make it work.

does the stock setup not us wasted spark??

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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 03:40 AM
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the thing is

I allready HAVE an ecu and an engine without ANY electronics / coils
and the ecu can not be upgraded.
so thats why i want to know if someone has used wasted spark before

i dont think the stock engine uses wasted spark because you would NOT need a cam sensor for that, and all the coils seem to have a direct and seperate wire to the stock ecu
(and i know that from an other engine and not mine because i have no coils and stock ecu...)
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 06:20 AM
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well motec ECu's run alot of the racing LS engiens out there and they often run wasted spark. might be wroth giving a sponsord engine builder that deals with these type of engines and ECU's a call. someone like Katech??

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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 08:11 PM
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You will have no problem running wasted spark ignition on an LS based engine.

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Old Jun 22, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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thanks that was what i wanted to know
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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you will be fine, just for your information

take you firing order and split it in half

1843/6572 and now you have your companion cylinders
1-6
8-5
4-7
3-2

one will be on tdc at th top of the compression stroke ready for firing and the other will be on the top of the exhaust stroke.


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Originally Posted by yomama
you will be fine, just for your information

take you firing order and split it in half

1843/6572 and now you have your companion cylinders
1-6
8-5
4-7
3-2

one will be on tdc at th top of the compression stroke ready for firing and the other will be on the top of the exhaust stroke.


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Old Jun 25, 2008 | 02:54 PM
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i was sure someone would catch that but it doesnt matter what the firing order it all works the same. i am aware of the different firing order but i was just trying to give an example.
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Old Jun 25, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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Jeejee, asked you this in another thread, maybe you missed it...

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Do you know what car that came from?
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Old Jun 25, 2008 | 03:54 PM
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waytoomanytoys : it was from a turbocharged bmw as far as i can remember
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Old Jun 26, 2008 | 09:48 PM
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waytoomanytoys : it was from a turbocharged bmw as far as i can remember
Heh. Not exactly.

It's from my naturally-aspirated V12 BMW. Surprised me to see it in a sig here.

Keep up the fun projects!
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Old Jun 27, 2008 | 02:53 AM
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ha that could well be possible, some time ago i was looking into fitting an m70 (bmw v12 for non bmw affiliated people) in another project car of mine.
because of small v angle, all aluminium, dirt cheap <$1000, and ready for some boost (8.8:1 com ratio), so i was looking at all kinds of bmw sites for more info / pics on the M70 engine, and might have come across this picture

you want me to remove it ?
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Old Jun 27, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jeejee
ha that could well be possible, some time ago i was looking into fitting an m70 (bmw v12 for non bmw affiliated people) in another project car of mine.
because of small v angle, all aluminium, dirt cheap <$1000, and ready for some boost (8.8:1 com ratio), so i was looking at all kinds of bmw sites for more info / pics on the M70 engine, and might have come across this picture

you want me to remove it ?
No worries, feel free to keep it! Just wanted all the badass LSX guys to know that BMWs can cause some serious carnage too.

(Love the LSX) motors, wish we could have as much fun as you guys!)

FYI... that's the M73 5.4l V12 in a 750iL converted to a 6-speed manual. Details on the project: [ CLICK HERE ] and more pics of the driveshaft destruction: [ CLICK HERE ]
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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As already been said, wasted spark works fine.....Ive been using it for some 4 years now
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