HID Fog light Run Around...
02-19-2009, 09:38 AM
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02-19-2009, 12:52 PM
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So is my entire HID projector system however its still illegal to use them in a car they wern't factory installed but I'm unlikley to get busted because what cop is going to know every single vehicle and headlight combination created? Its a bet we're taking to have better lighting. Hid into a Halogen housing = horrid glare and the cop just might want to tag you for blinding him.
You honestly see a difference between the pictures of your car's lights and the pictures of the car labeled as glare? ..... because they look the same to me.
The proof you posted to support your argument actually back me up instead.
Especially this pic:
HID kits often don't keep the same focal point, which sends light in the wrong place. Also HID kits put out a lot more light than Halogen, so Halogen Reflector housings which were intended to spread a certain amount of light in a certain pattern end up sending more light in places that it is not needed nor desired.
Check this out for a better explanation:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html
There also are links there to DOT documents and the 2004 crackdown.... yes, in 2004 the DOT went on a crusade to try and shut down aftermarket HID Kit manufacturers and suppliers. I think they either gave up or changed the law so they didn't technically have to bother pursuing them anymore (it was a lot of work).... that is why laws are often vague and left up to the Police and Judges to determine the actual meaning. There are other laws that cover light output and beam spread which are violated by putting HID into Halogen Reflector Housing.
The proof you posted to support your argument actually back me up instead.
Especially this pic:
HID kits often don't keep the same focal point, which sends light in the wrong place. Also HID kits put out a lot more light than Halogen, so Halogen Reflector housings which were intended to spread a certain amount of light in a certain pattern end up sending more light in places that it is not needed nor desired.
Check this out for a better explanation:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html
There also are links there to DOT documents and the 2004 crackdown.... yes, in 2004 the DOT went on a crusade to try and shut down aftermarket HID Kit manufacturers and suppliers. I think they either gave up or changed the law so they didn't technically have to bother pursuing them anymore (it was a lot of work).... that is why laws are often vague and left up to the Police and Judges to determine the actual meaning. There are other laws that cover light output and beam spread which are violated by putting HID into Halogen Reflector Housing.
again the links specify only to the making and distribution of hid kits. the references they posted are the same ones i have posted in the previous page.
i never claimed my headlights were more effecient, i said they light the road just aswell, and i have experienced them from outside the vehicle. the downward and low profile of the camaro headlights seem to avoid most of the extremely bad glare, until your are nearly upon the vehicle.
im not trying to make an argument as to which one is better, they are simply not illegal like you and others have claimed. they however are illegal to sell and manufacture within the united states because they do not comply with vehicle standards.
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02-19-2009, 02:16 PM
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again the links specify only to the making and distribution of hid kits. the references they posted are the same ones i have posted in the previous page.
i never claimed my headlights were more effecient, i said they light the road just aswell, and i have experienced them from outside the vehicle. the downward and low profile of the camaro headlights seem to avoid most of the extremely bad glare, until your are nearly upon the vehicle.
im not trying to make an argument as to which one is better, they are simply not illegal like you and others have claimed. they however are illegal to sell and manufacture within the united states because they do not comply with vehicle standards.
02-19-2009, 02:24 PM
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The new kits claim to have the same focal point as halogen bulbs. Remember prohibition-it wasn't illegal to drink but it was illegal to make and transport. There is a technical difference.
Also, technically ECE spec headlights are technically illegal in the US since they don't meet DOT specs.
Also, technically ECE spec headlights are technically illegal in the US since they don't meet DOT specs.
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02-19-2009, 03:05 PM
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ECE tends to be more restrictive but yep, no DOT cert = not US legal. during prohibition the existence of alcohol alone was illegal, It didnt stop the making and consumption of it. Still goes on today in the form of Moonshine. The law generally doesn't bother the end user as often as the maker but they will if its out of line enough. Its illegal to sell stolen merchendise and it is also illegal to buy it. Thereby OWNING it is illegal since you had to commit a crime to own it. It sits in the damn grey area of the law lawyers live to use and they can interpret it to mean anything they want really. Its illegal to transport and sell the hid kits in the US for onroad. so like i said they now almost all carry the Off-Road/Show designator on their packaging. DOT can't do squat to the companies now. The companies can't be held liable for what other people do with their products.
DOT's legal control over lighting ends at the streets sides.
Moved focal point? Not possible. Can't defeat physics. You can CHEAT it thou. to "move" the xenon arcs focal point they would have to tint the bulb so as to block light from the ends, negating the advantage of HID.
DOT's legal control over lighting ends at the streets sides.
Moved focal point? Not possible. Can't defeat physics. You can CHEAT it thou. to "move" the xenon arcs focal point they would have to tint the bulb so as to block light from the ends, negating the advantage of HID.
02-19-2009, 03:07 PM
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Beyond Light Source (incandescent, Halogen, HID, LED, etc) there are laws/regulations regulating output and beam pattern. Putting HID into a Halogen Reflector housing sends light outside these boundaries and thus is illegal.
02-19-2009, 04:41 PM
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If everyone is so concerned with whats illegal and legal then half the mods people do these cars are illegal. example (long tube headers) Also is the only issue is glare and blinding people then go to war with all trucks and suv's because their oem hid projectors project that crap straight in my eyes. So answer that hid police.
02-19-2009, 05:03 PM
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If everyone is so concerned with whats illegal and legal then half the mods people do these cars are illegal. example (long tube headers) Also is the only issue is glare and blinding people then go to war with all trucks and suv's because their oem hid projectors project that crap straight in my eyes. So answer that hid police.
02-19-2009, 05:05 PM
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If everyone is so concerned with whats illegal and legal then half the mods people do these cars are illegal. example (long tube headers) Also is the only issue is glare and blinding people then go to war with all trucks and suv's because their oem hid projectors project that crap straight in my eyes. So answer that hid police.
I don't believe anyone is saying not to buy HID's, just merely advocating if you do upgrade to them, to do it properly and install them in projectors as they were meant to be.
02-19-2009, 06:08 PM
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You're comparing apples to oranges.. Long tube headers aren't a hazard to other drivers on the road. Just because other cars on the road are blinding for you at night, doesn't give you the reason or excuse to go and do the same to others. I'm sure you've heard the expression that two wrongs don't make a right. No one here is trying to act like HID police.. They're just advocating that improperly using HID's creates dangerous conditions for other drivers. Unfortunately 90% of the people on this board are too arrogant to care about that, as they're more concerned about themselves and the looks of their own car, rather than the safety of others.
02-19-2009, 06:43 PM
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Just do it! I personally don't like the look of the projector lenses for our cars (Camaros). The projector lenses look like they're bulging out! I like mine just the way they are.
I replaced my stocker fog lights with a set of Hella Micro DE driving lights to avoid any issues with heat buildup. Have had my set up for more than 2 years and all is good!
I replaced my stocker fog lights with a set of Hella Micro DE driving lights to avoid any issues with heat buildup. Have had my set up for more than 2 years and all is good!
02-19-2009, 06:50 PM
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You're comparing apples to oranges.. Long tube headers aren't a hazard to other drivers on the road. Just because other cars on the road are blinding for you at night, doesn't give you the reason or excuse to go and do the same to others. I'm sure you've heard the expression that two wrongs don't make a right. No one here is trying to act like HID police.. They're just advocating that improperly using HID's creates dangerous conditions for other drivers. Unfortunately 90% of the people on this board are too arrogant to care about that, as they're more concerned about themselves and the looks of their own car, rather than the safety of others.(end quote)
Really, are you aware that longtubes without cats cause illegal pollution and cause irrating odor to cars who sit behind you traffic?
Really, are you aware that longtubes without cats cause illegal pollution and cause irrating odor to cars who sit behind you traffic?
02-19-2009, 07:45 PM
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That is a just a mere annoyance, which I have never heard of anyone complaining that they couldn't drive safely because of it. I don't even have cats on my car, and have no intoxicating odor coming from my tail pipes that could possibly endanger a driver behind or around me. Comparing that to blinding someone in the opposing lane to the point of almost running them off the road is just insane.
02-19-2009, 07:54 PM
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That is a just a mere annoyance, which I have never heard of anyone complaining that they couldn't drive safely because of it. I don't even have cats on my car, and have no intoxicating odor coming from my tail pipes that could possibly endanger a driver behind or around me. Comparing that to blinding someone in the opposing lane to the point of almost running them off the road is just insane.