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View Poll Results: Best polish/wax for darker colors applied by hand
Zaino
17
31.48%
Menzerna
7
12.96%
Blackfire
0
0%
Tropi-care
8
14.81%
Klasse
1
1.85%
Pinnacle Souveirgn
2
3.70%
Mequiars NXT
17
31.48%
3m Perfect-It
2
3.70%
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Old 04-11-2009, 11:28 AM
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Which one has best results for removing fine scratches, swirls, deep weet look and long lasting durability on darker colors? Can theybe applied by hand?
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Zaino Z5pro for durability and looks on darks
Tropicare would be the next best choice
Blackfire and NXT have poor durability
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you can only do so much by hand. if youre serious about detailing, a portercable is the best investment you can buy. ive used TC swirl cutter, and it does work very well. also, 3M finesse-it.....NOT perfect-it, is supposed to work very well also.

remember, a polish and wax are 2 different things. a wax wont remove swirls. a wax or sealant is just that.....makes a sealing top coat over your paint. if you want to take swirls, you need a swirl remover. thats why TC calls it the 'TC swirl remover', and their wax or sealants are called just that. same with meg's scratch-X and any of their waxes/sealants.

if you want a full detail, start with a swirl remover, then end with a wax or sealant. personally, i use TC swirl cutter, then megs #26 hightech yellow wax.
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Megs Ultimate compound for deep swirls
Zaino ZPC or Tropicare swirl cutter for finishing
A PC is needed for swirl removal-you won't do it by hand.
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tropicare with flex
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Menzerna is the way to go for polish
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Even though menzerna is expensive...it will knock the crap out of the other polishes, along with its easiness to use.
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IBIZ, suprised its not up there, love it and won't ever change
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Bottom line is that you won't remove swirls and scratches by hand, at least not effectively. There's no quick and easy way to do it. Gotta have a buffer like a Porter Cable.
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Originally Posted by JeaneGrae
Which one has best results for removing fine scratches, swirls, deep weet look and long lasting durability on darker colors? Can theybe applied by hand?
You can try this by hand but you will not have much luck. At best you will have some clarity and shiny scratches. Hand attempts can't create the torque and friction necessary to cut the clear coat to level these marks from the surface.

Yesterday I was at the location of one of our customers in north central Iowa to show the effects of Menzerna SIP using the FLEX polisher on the quarter panel of their burgundy Ford Expedition. The owner said they had tried to clean it up using a rotary polisher but it was still cloudy and had a fair amount of scratches. After several minutes using just the SIP/orange pad/FLEX combo, I removed all the cloudiness, scratches and greatly improved the color quality.

At this point, there were no more scratches or micro-marring. After a quick swab with a 50/50 mix of IPA and water, this will remove any residue, oils or fillers to show any remaining defects. For darker colors, I like to use our black based carnauba creme alone or applied on top of our sealant.
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For best shine & durability?!?!
That's an easy one; ZAINO!!!!!
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Tropicare HANDS DOWN.
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Meguiars all the way!!!
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Originally Posted by Steve@Tropi-Care
At this point, there were no more scratches or micro-marring. After a quick swab with a 50/50 mix of IPA and water, this will remove any residue, oils or fillers to show any remaining defects. For darker colors, I like to use our black based carnauba creme alone or applied on top of our sealant.
IPA = Isoprop? Is that safe to use on car paint? Never knew that...
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Originally Posted by libertyre
IPA = Isoprop? Is that safe to use on car paint? Never knew that...
A 50/50 mix of isopropyl alcohol and distilled water is great for stripping the surface of waxes and sealants plus removing the fillers/oils/residue when polishing or compounding the surface. This swabbing will expose any remaining scratches or micro-marring. You can then address any areas that need more work.
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It hurts my heart to see Meguiars NXT in the lead...haha

I used this stuff a few weeks ago (was out of Zaino) and even after two days, the water was not beading up on my car's surface. Terribly disappointed.

I'm going back to Zaino, never had any problems with it and suits my needs.
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As for the light swirls nothing by hand would work on the light swirls and cat scratches. I finally broke down and got a PC and Menzerna product. Unreal results. I then tried Zaino to see what it was all about. The finish was great but you really have to love your car to wax it five times. By the time I was done I didnt even want to look at the damn car.
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Originally Posted by JeaneGrae
Which one has best results for removing fine scratches, swirls, deep weet look and long lasting durability on darker colors? Can theybe applied by hand?
I have not used all the products listed in the poll but for fine swirls I have had great success with 3M Perfect-It 3000 Ultrafina SE (#06068) with a blue pad on a machine. Keep in mind that it is not a wax.

As mentioned, to remove scratches a machine will work best however for a wax/sealer, 2-3 coats of Klasse high gloss sealant glaze by hand is extremely easy to apply and buff off, if done correctly, and gives the appearance of adding brilliant clear to your paint and lasts very long.
My truck is always outside and still beads water a year and a half later, plus it is extremely reasonable especially considering how little you use and how long it lasts.
The results are amazing with very little effort!
I have used Pinnacle Souveirgn Carnauba Paste Wax and In my opinion it is too soft (I think they say it will last 1-3 month). I didn't notice much of a difference in gloss of depth for it to warrant it's price.

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surprised no one said zymol yet, love the stuff. been meaning to try some tropicare stuff though heard nothing but good stuff about it.
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Polishing-menzerna. Sealant-fmj, rejex, klasse aio(for quick work). Wax-p21s, zymol.



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