My $45 6LE Splitter and ZR1s are finally on
05-06-2009, 09:38 PM
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This thread IS NOT about if the splitter works or not. If you have some kind of bizarre issue on how this thing works, or if it does, whatever, PM 6LE.
As for being rude 2001SSTX, and trolling this thread, I ought to give your *** a vacation. If you have general concerns and want information, take it up with 6le personally, not in our member's threads. Don't be a jackass in public, especially if your the new kid.
kthxbai
As for being rude 2001SSTX, and trolling this thread, I ought to give your *** a vacation. If you have general concerns and want information, take it up with 6le personally, not in our member's threads. Don't be a jackass in public, especially if your the new kid.
kthxbai
05-06-2009, 09:55 PM
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here's a pretty interesting "tech article" on splitters:
http://www.aprperformance.com/index....=174&Itemid=44
i think the video posted above is the best explanation though
http://www.aprperformance.com/index....=174&Itemid=44
What we want to have is lower pressure, faster-moving air below the car, and higher pressure, slower moving air above the car. The lower pressure side, when it happends to be under the car, contributes to reduced lift. When the lift is reduced sufficiently to the point where there is negative lift, then there is net positive downforce. 
The splitter (or air dam) itself does not actually create downforce. What the splitter does is that it increases the area over which high pressure can build up. The more high pressure there is above the splitter, the greater the net downforce there is.
The splitter (or air dam) itself does not actually create downforce. What the splitter does is that it increases the area over which high pressure can build up. The more high pressure there is above the splitter, the greater the net downforce there is.
05-07-2009, 12:16 AM
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This thread IS NOT about if the splitter works or not. If you have some kind of bizarre issue on how this thing works, or if it does, whatever, PM 6LE.
As for being rude 2001SSTX, and trolling this thread, I ought to give your *** a vacation. If you have general concerns and want information, take it up with 6le personally, not in our member's threads. Don't be a jackass in public, especially if your the new kid.
kthxbai
As for being rude 2001SSTX, and trolling this thread, I ought to give your *** a vacation. If you have general concerns and want information, take it up with 6le personally, not in our member's threads. Don't be a jackass in public, especially if your the new kid.
kthxbai
Go ahead and "give me a vacation". This will only prove how close minded you are.
05-07-2009, 08:04 AM
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Sorry but you don't understand how a splitter works... It is not scooping the air to create down force, there is no added force to the bumper.
It splits the air SPEEDING THE AIR UP under the car so due to pressure zones it creates down force on top of the car. Here's a video I made (as a joke but the physics are real)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk15OKB7qAs
Also, this splitter has WAY more support than ANY Corvette splitter. They have 1.5' of bolt room, we have 3'. The "supports" you refer to are not supports. Those are called canards and they direct air around the tires to get rid of rolling resistance (I make those now as well).
It splits the air SPEEDING THE AIR UP under the car so due to pressure zones it creates down force on top of the car. Here's a video I made (as a joke but the physics are real)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk15OKB7qAs
Also, this splitter has WAY more support than ANY Corvette splitter. They have 1.5' of bolt room, we have 3'. The "supports" you refer to are not supports. Those are called canards and they direct air around the tires to get rid of rolling resistance (I make those now as well).
) and the car "didn't shake anymore". Now that's what I call scientific proof! Maybe you used a strain gauge to measure the forces to the bumper but I would highly doubt it. I would guarantee you that GM engineers did.I am not denying the splitter concept or that possibly what you have works...my point is there are extreme forces at those speeds and our bumpers aren't designed to have crap tacked onto them.
Have you actually even examined a C6 Z06 or ZR1? The length of your mounting bolts don't have a single thing to do with strength of fastening. I can have a bolt that barely makes it through the hole which is just as good of a fastener as a 1 foot bolt.
The bumpers for those cars are much better reinforced and designed by an engineer in a wind tunnel to handle the forces on it (not to mention tested for strain on the actual bumper itself). The ZR1 splitter has additional bracing INSIDE the front bumper. Maybe you should take a look at that. The way a f-body bumper is curved and the way your product attaches you will have extra force on the splitter. This isn't a Corvette that has a flat front where the splitter attaches.
I am not knocking your product, I am just saying the bumpers on these cars aren't designed to handle these forces and you won't see one hanging off of the front bumper on my f-body.
I've got an extra splitter for our 07 Z06 in the garage if we need to examine how they are attached further. However, I don't think how they are attached is the issue I was concerned with. The issue I am concerned with is the F-body front bumper and the stress that it wasn't designed for.
Kudos to you for doing your research and coming up with a product for these cars however I do think it should be examined that there maybe not catostrophic bumper failure but a weakening of the bumper and associated issues with that.
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05-07-2009, 11:36 AM
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If you think I was trolling or being a jackass, then you're an idiot. I merely stated that I did not like the way they looked, and inquired about the function of them. I am entitled to my own opinion, just like everyone else. Sorry, that I won't put up the useless "looks good" like everyone else does, instead I put up my own questions and thoughts..
Go ahead and "give me a vacation". This will only prove how close minded you are.
Go ahead and "give me a vacation". This will only prove how close minded you are.
I never said you couldn't express your opinion. You just did it in an obnoxious manner.
05-07-2009, 01:31 PM
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I fully understand how a splitter works and yes there is added force to the bumper. Do you have any actual research to show added downforce other than taking the car to 150mph (on a closed track I'm sure) and the car "didn't shake anymore". Now that's what I call scientific proof! Maybe you used a strain gauge to measure the forces to the bumper but I would highly doubt it. I would guarantee you that GM engineers did.
I am not denying the splitter concept or that possibly what you have works...my point is there are extreme forces at those speeds and our bumpers aren't designed to have crap tacked onto them.
Have you actually even examined a C6 Z06 or ZR1? The length of your mounting bolts don't have a single thing to do with strength of fastening. I can have a bolt that barely makes it through the hole which is just as good of a fastener as a 1 foot bolt.
The bumpers for those cars are much better reinforced and designed by an engineer in a wind tunnel to handle the forces on it (not to mention tested for strain on the actual bumper itself). The ZR1 splitter has additional bracing INSIDE the front bumper. Maybe you should take a look at that. The way a f-body bumper is curved and the way your product attaches you will have extra force on the splitter. This isn't a Corvette that has a flat front where the splitter attaches.
I am not knocking your product, I am just saying the bumpers on these cars aren't designed to handle these forces and you won't see one hanging off of the front bumper on my f-body.
I've got an extra splitter for our 07 Z06 in the garage if we need to examine how they are attached further. However, I don't think how they are attached is the issue I was concerned with. The issue I am concerned with is the F-body front bumper and the stress that it wasn't designed for.
Kudos to you for doing your research and coming up with a product for these cars however I do think it should be examined that there maybe not catostrophic bumper failure but a weakening of the bumper and associated issues with that.
) and the car "didn't shake anymore". Now that's what I call scientific proof! Maybe you used a strain gauge to measure the forces to the bumper but I would highly doubt it. I would guarantee you that GM engineers did.I am not denying the splitter concept or that possibly what you have works...my point is there are extreme forces at those speeds and our bumpers aren't designed to have crap tacked onto them.
Have you actually even examined a C6 Z06 or ZR1? The length of your mounting bolts don't have a single thing to do with strength of fastening. I can have a bolt that barely makes it through the hole which is just as good of a fastener as a 1 foot bolt.
The bumpers for those cars are much better reinforced and designed by an engineer in a wind tunnel to handle the forces on it (not to mention tested for strain on the actual bumper itself). The ZR1 splitter has additional bracing INSIDE the front bumper. Maybe you should take a look at that. The way a f-body bumper is curved and the way your product attaches you will have extra force on the splitter. This isn't a Corvette that has a flat front where the splitter attaches.
I am not knocking your product, I am just saying the bumpers on these cars aren't designed to handle these forces and you won't see one hanging off of the front bumper on my f-body.
I've got an extra splitter for our 07 Z06 in the garage if we need to examine how they are attached further. However, I don't think how they are attached is the issue I was concerned with. The issue I am concerned with is the F-body front bumper and the stress that it wasn't designed for.
Kudos to you for doing your research and coming up with a product for these cars however I do think it should be examined that there maybe not catostrophic bumper failure but a weakening of the bumper and associated issues with that.
IT ONLY ATTACHED TO THE BUMPER WITH THREE OF THE 11 BOLTS, The other 8 go to inner supports, not on the actual bumper.
Besides that, it was a closed track in Vegas. Not sure how you're supposed to "measure" the difference between, "it shook like crazy" and "it didn't shake at all" but...
Anyways, if you SERIOUSLY think this thing is scooping air and is going to rip a bumper off the daily driven cars it goes on then don't buy it.
Mine is going on a year with no bumper sag let alone "catastrophic failure".
GTO splitters bolt ONLY to the bumper COVER and have never had a problem...
Countless import guys throw them on even smaller areas with less support and haven't had a problem...
Finally, you say you won't see one of them hanging off the front of an F-Body? Spend 30 seconds over at www.fraxx.com (I think that is it). These guys have run splitters on their F-Bodies since 1993 and are doing fine...
05-07-2009, 01:31 PM
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Some mod you are. Seems like you're over-stepping your boundaries.
05-07-2009, 01:56 PM
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Man, you SOOOOO have no clue what you're talking about... The MAIN THING against your argument is this...
IT ONLY ATTACHED TO THE BUMPER WITH THREE OF THE 11 BOLTS, The other 8 go to inner supports, not on the actual bumper.
Besides that, it was a closed track in Vegas. Not sure how you're supposed to "measure" the difference between, "it shook like crazy" and "it didn't shake at all" but...
Anyways, if you SERIOUSLY think this thing is scooping air and is going to rip a bumper off the daily driven cars it goes on then don't buy it.
Mine is going on a year with no bumper sag let alone "catastrophic failure".
GTO splitters bolt ONLY to the bumper COVER and have never had a problem...
Countless import guys throw them on even smaller areas with less support and haven't had a problem...
Finally, you say you won't see one of them hanging off the front of an F-Body? Spend 30 seconds over at www.fraxx.com (I think that is it). These guys have run splitters on their F-Bodies since 1993 and are doing fine...
IT ONLY ATTACHED TO THE BUMPER WITH THREE OF THE 11 BOLTS, The other 8 go to inner supports, not on the actual bumper.
Besides that, it was a closed track in Vegas. Not sure how you're supposed to "measure" the difference between, "it shook like crazy" and "it didn't shake at all" but...
Anyways, if you SERIOUSLY think this thing is scooping air and is going to rip a bumper off the daily driven cars it goes on then don't buy it.
Mine is going on a year with no bumper sag let alone "catastrophic failure".
GTO splitters bolt ONLY to the bumper COVER and have never had a problem...
Countless import guys throw them on even smaller areas with less support and haven't had a problem...
Finally, you say you won't see one of them hanging off the front of an F-Body? Spend 30 seconds over at www.fraxx.com (I think that is it). These guys have run splitters on their F-Bodies since 1993 and are doing fine...
So we can associate you w/ the Civic guys w/ all of their body parts sagging and falling off of the car?
A GTO isn't a F-body is it?
So what inner structure are you actually bolting to? Care to show some up close pictures? I hardly think that using this picture of your splitter you are attaching to anything structural. It looks as though it follows the undertray attaching points along the front of the bumper.
Seriously dude I am not attacking you but you have no evidence or test data for your claims other that the car doesn't shake anymore. That doesn't necessarily have anything to do w/ lift or lack of downforce. There is a lot more to a splitter than your paper example as the front of a car isn't the width of a piece of paper.
I think you should think of more academic terms to make a discussion other than "dude you don't know what you're talking about".
