2001 T/A Driving lights...
04-08-2003 | 10:02 PM
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Re: 2001 T/A Driving lights... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by CMNTMXR57:
<strong> Mike, Money is just as much a consideration to me as it is too you. It seems as though you aren't hurting either! Seems as though you have a lot of engine work coming up. The same amount of engine work I did to mine nearly 5 years ago. So naturally I have payed a lot of my cost off for those engine parts.
Conversely, you seem to have spent a HECK of a lot more on audio equipment than I have! Why? Cause you have more money? I doubt that's the case here! Most likely that's because that's what was more important to spend your money on. For me, one who rarely even has his Monsoon system on anyway because I'm listening to my 600hp soundtrack under the hood, I pulled out all the stops on my driving lights instead!
Take it with a grain salt. I'm simply telling you, I got what I paid for, just as you did with your stereo equipment. I don't think the Wal-Mart/Blazertech lights are worth the $39.99 to replace Blazertech stockers! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Man, I don't know what your problem is. I am not attacking you OR your PIAA lights. I don't know what the hell my engine mods or my audio system has to do with good replacement foglights for a Trans Am.....
Lets look at a couple facts... You want to make a direct comparison between your lights (on a Camaro) and the Blazertech lights (on a Trans Am). Perhaps you were not aware, but the lights on the two cars are completely different. I do not claim to be an expert on Camaro lighting, but I can tell you the Blazertech lights are a bolt on replacement that require no modification on a Trans Am. I am not speaking about a Formula, or a Camaro, or any other car. The title of this thread is about TRANS AMs...
Secondly, you made a comment that the $39.99 lights are not worthy of replacing the Blazertech stockers. Maybe Blazertech made the Camaro stock lights, I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT. But UNLESS you have personally disassembled the STOCK fog lights on a TRANS AM, you have absolutely no basis for comparison.
The fact is....the stock Trans Am lights are cheaply made, and made entirely out of plastic. Both the Blazertech and Cyberwhite lights are made of a sturdy metal with a glass lens. I do not have a light-meter, so I can't tell you actual lumens ratings, but YES, the Cyberwhites are SIGNIFICANTLY brighter than the stock Trans Am lights. Yes, I am sure PIAA makes a light for the Trans Am which is just as good, possibly even better than the Blazertechs, but I would speculate, that most people would rather pay $40 for a replacement light that is quite an improvement than stock, than whatever PIAA charges for their replacements.
In the end, all you've done is given petty arguments criticizing my choices I've made on the things I've done to my car. I have never once attacked you, or even said you were wrong about your lights. You still haven't even fulfilled my request to show us PIAA lights that will mount up to a TRANS AM (not a Camaro) that appear near stock and require no modification to install.
And to 2002_TAWS6, unfortunately, my car is out of comission until late May for the heads/cam swap, that CMNTMXR57 conveniently brought up, so I cannot provide you with daytime pictures with the lights on. I do have this picture though.
This is my car facing my garage with the stock low beams on and the Cyberwhites on as well. This is before I aimed them, so forgive for the uneveness, and the picture is a LITTLE oversaturated, but you can still clearly see the fog lights are a much brighter white than the main headlights, and provide just as large, if not bigger of a beam pattern than the main headlights. You asked if you can drive around in the night with just the foglights on, and yes you can. They are obviously aimed lower, so the light doesn't travel as far as main headlights would, not to mention its illegal to drive around at night with just fog lights on, so I wouldn't recommend it, but yes, it is doable. I'm sure the PIAA lights can do this, which as I've said all along, I am not disputing. I am merely defending the quality and affordability of the Cyberwhite bulbs for people with Trans Ams who want a nice upgrade from stock but don't want to pay nearly as much as some of the other options out there.
<img src="http://www.metalreviewcentre.com/images/CyberWhite.jpg" alt=" - " />
<small>[ April 08, 2003, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: Constrictor 98TA ]</small>
<strong> Mike, Money is just as much a consideration to me as it is too you. It seems as though you aren't hurting either! Seems as though you have a lot of engine work coming up. The same amount of engine work I did to mine nearly 5 years ago. So naturally I have payed a lot of my cost off for those engine parts.
Conversely, you seem to have spent a HECK of a lot more on audio equipment than I have! Why? Cause you have more money? I doubt that's the case here! Most likely that's because that's what was more important to spend your money on. For me, one who rarely even has his Monsoon system on anyway because I'm listening to my 600hp soundtrack under the hood, I pulled out all the stops on my driving lights instead!
Take it with a grain salt. I'm simply telling you, I got what I paid for, just as you did with your stereo equipment. I don't think the Wal-Mart/Blazertech lights are worth the $39.99 to replace Blazertech stockers! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Man, I don't know what your problem is. I am not attacking you OR your PIAA lights. I don't know what the hell my engine mods or my audio system has to do with good replacement foglights for a Trans Am.....
Lets look at a couple facts... You want to make a direct comparison between your lights (on a Camaro) and the Blazertech lights (on a Trans Am). Perhaps you were not aware, but the lights on the two cars are completely different. I do not claim to be an expert on Camaro lighting, but I can tell you the Blazertech lights are a bolt on replacement that require no modification on a Trans Am. I am not speaking about a Formula, or a Camaro, or any other car. The title of this thread is about TRANS AMs...
Secondly, you made a comment that the $39.99 lights are not worthy of replacing the Blazertech stockers. Maybe Blazertech made the Camaro stock lights, I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT. But UNLESS you have personally disassembled the STOCK fog lights on a TRANS AM, you have absolutely no basis for comparison.
The fact is....the stock Trans Am lights are cheaply made, and made entirely out of plastic. Both the Blazertech and Cyberwhite lights are made of a sturdy metal with a glass lens. I do not have a light-meter, so I can't tell you actual lumens ratings, but YES, the Cyberwhites are SIGNIFICANTLY brighter than the stock Trans Am lights. Yes, I am sure PIAA makes a light for the Trans Am which is just as good, possibly even better than the Blazertechs, but I would speculate, that most people would rather pay $40 for a replacement light that is quite an improvement than stock, than whatever PIAA charges for their replacements.
In the end, all you've done is given petty arguments criticizing my choices I've made on the things I've done to my car. I have never once attacked you, or even said you were wrong about your lights. You still haven't even fulfilled my request to show us PIAA lights that will mount up to a TRANS AM (not a Camaro) that appear near stock and require no modification to install.
And to 2002_TAWS6, unfortunately, my car is out of comission until late May for the heads/cam swap, that CMNTMXR57 conveniently brought up, so I cannot provide you with daytime pictures with the lights on. I do have this picture though.
This is my car facing my garage with the stock low beams on and the Cyberwhites on as well. This is before I aimed them, so forgive for the uneveness, and the picture is a LITTLE oversaturated, but you can still clearly see the fog lights are a much brighter white than the main headlights, and provide just as large, if not bigger of a beam pattern than the main headlights. You asked if you can drive around in the night with just the foglights on, and yes you can. They are obviously aimed lower, so the light doesn't travel as far as main headlights would, not to mention its illegal to drive around at night with just fog lights on, so I wouldn't recommend it, but yes, it is doable. I'm sure the PIAA lights can do this, which as I've said all along, I am not disputing. I am merely defending the quality and affordability of the Cyberwhite bulbs for people with Trans Ams who want a nice upgrade from stock but don't want to pay nearly as much as some of the other options out there.
<img src="http://www.metalreviewcentre.com/images/CyberWhite.jpg" alt=" - " />
<small>[ April 08, 2003, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: Constrictor 98TA ]</small>
04-08-2003 | 10:14 PM
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Re: 2001 T/A Driving lights... No, I do not know what YOUR problem is.
Someone posted a question on driving lights as they were looking to replace them. Seeing as though I've replaced many a set of driving lights on many a different set of vehicle's over many a year of my life, I felt some qaulification to interject with a comment.
Fact: Many of you were talking about the BlazerTech's.
Fact: Blazer/BlazerTech makes the factory lights for MANY GM vehicles, not just the Camaro. Having REMOVED many pair of Blazer/BlazerTech's, I feel somewhat qaulified in issuing an opinion of them.
Are they bad? No! Not for a $40 pair of lights.
HOWEVER, I am one to to things ONCE and do them RIGHT! I refuse to spend $40 to put another set of equivalent quality (to the stock lights) only to turn around and replace them again with a set that I'm truly happy with!
Now, when all of you were recommending the Blazer/BlazerTech, that's all fine and dandy, HOWEVER having that mindset of doing things once and doing them right, I simply interjected with "Spend the money, get PIAA's!" Or even Catz, Hella, KC Daylighter's, etc! Spend your money wisely! It's irrelevant for the most part which particular car they are on. I was simply illustrating the sheer qaulity of my PIAA's. The lamp that would fit a T/A would exude the same quality, regardless!
So are you putting Wal-Mart quality heads and cam on your car too?
Someone posted a question on driving lights as they were looking to replace them. Seeing as though I've replaced many a set of driving lights on many a different set of vehicle's over many a year of my life, I felt some qaulification to interject with a comment.
Fact: Many of you were talking about the BlazerTech's.
Fact: Blazer/BlazerTech makes the factory lights for MANY GM vehicles, not just the Camaro. Having REMOVED many pair of Blazer/BlazerTech's, I feel somewhat qaulified in issuing an opinion of them.
Are they bad? No! Not for a $40 pair of lights.
HOWEVER, I am one to to things ONCE and do them RIGHT! I refuse to spend $40 to put another set of equivalent quality (to the stock lights) only to turn around and replace them again with a set that I'm truly happy with!
Now, when all of you were recommending the Blazer/BlazerTech, that's all fine and dandy, HOWEVER having that mindset of doing things once and doing them right, I simply interjected with "Spend the money, get PIAA's!" Or even Catz, Hella, KC Daylighter's, etc! Spend your money wisely! It's irrelevant for the most part which particular car they are on. I was simply illustrating the sheer qaulity of my PIAA's. The lamp that would fit a T/A would exude the same quality, regardless!
So are you putting Wal-Mart quality heads and cam on your car too?
04-08-2003 | 11:05 PM
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Re: 2001 T/A Driving lights... So are you putting Wal-Mart quality heads and cam on your car too?
Wal-Mart sells Mobil 1 also <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Now lets not let this become a pissing match between "BRAND A" and "BRAND B".. you know what opinions are like and this thread is starting to smell like one <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
So agree to disagree and let it go.. or I will have to dust off the padlock and call a time out <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
THOUSANDS of people drive every single day on stock TA lights.. so for them it's good enough.. some people would like it a little better so they buy brand X for $40.. Others want to vaporize moths BEFORE they get near the front of the car so they get "the best" and spend more. It's mostly a matter of perspective and priorities.
Wal-Mart sells Mobil 1 also <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Now lets not let this become a pissing match between "BRAND A" and "BRAND B".. you know what opinions are like and this thread is starting to smell like one <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
So agree to disagree and let it go.. or I will have to dust off the padlock and call a time out <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
THOUSANDS of people drive every single day on stock TA lights.. so for them it's good enough.. some people would like it a little better so they buy brand X for $40.. Others want to vaporize moths BEFORE they get near the front of the car so they get "the best" and spend more. It's mostly a matter of perspective and priorities.
04-08-2003 | 11:45 PM
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Re: 2001 T/A Driving lights... I vaporize deer on the side of the road with my PIAA 510s. It's a high quality kit, easy to install, and i upgraded to their brightest bulb. Of course, the one that comes with it is pretty f'n bright too. I travel on unlit wildlife-littered 2-lane highways several times a week at night. My quest for safety has been resolved, but it does blind the **** out of other drivers. They'll get over it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
04-09-2003 | 01:17 AM
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Re: 2001 T/A Driving lights... Constrictor 98TA, HOLY MOLY!!!! those are not HIDS by any chance are they?!?! They look really fantastic. (makes me wonder how good PIAAs look incomparison to these. BUT I wont ask! I dont want to start a fight and I know that would instigate one).
Thanks for the awesome reply Constrictor 98TA. I do appreciate your lengthy helpful replies. You mentioned Cyberwhites and Blazertechs but which ones do you have installed? the b.t. 3200s? awesome job man. Definetly worth every penny.
McTullis, you dont have pics of them by any chance do you? How much was your set up for? and whats the wattage power
Hope you guys keep this in a professional level so a moderator doesnt lock up this thread. I am finding it very helpful. Please dont mess it up for me and many other readers <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />
Also CMNTMXR57, you dont have a pic of the same pose as Constrictor 98TA would you? That would really show us how yours would look in contrast with the b.t. 3200s.
Im 99% close to buying a blazertech 3200 just because of the picture you posted Constrictor 98TA that really made me confident that those would be a major upgrade!
Thanks!
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> <-- this is for the Blazertechs and this one is for the PIAAs --> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Thanks for the awesome reply Constrictor 98TA. I do appreciate your lengthy helpful replies. You mentioned Cyberwhites and Blazertechs but which ones do you have installed? the b.t. 3200s? awesome job man. Definetly worth every penny.
McTullis, you dont have pics of them by any chance do you? How much was your set up for? and whats the wattage power
Hope you guys keep this in a professional level so a moderator doesnt lock up this thread. I am finding it very helpful. Please dont mess it up for me and many other readers <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />
Also CMNTMXR57, you dont have a pic of the same pose as Constrictor 98TA would you? That would really show us how yours would look in contrast with the b.t. 3200s.
Im 99% close to buying a blazertech 3200 just because of the picture you posted Constrictor 98TA that really made me confident that those would be a major upgrade!
Thanks!
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> <-- this is for the Blazertechs and this one is for the PIAAs --> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
04-09-2003 | 04:39 AM
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Re: 2001 T/A Driving lights... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by McTullis:
<strong>My quest for safety has been resolved, but it does blind the **** out of other drivers. They'll get over it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So its safe when the guy coming toward you is blinded, causing him to go off the road into a tree? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Its ok though, they'll get over it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> . I'm all for being able to see the best you can, but not at the safety risk to other drivers. Hell, I bitch when I get blinded. It'd make me a hypocrit to say its ok for me to do to them. Can you honestly tell me you enjoy getting blinded yourself?
<strong>My quest for safety has been resolved, but it does blind the **** out of other drivers. They'll get over it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So its safe when the guy coming toward you is blinded, causing him to go off the road into a tree? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Its ok though, they'll get over it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> . I'm all for being able to see the best you can, but not at the safety risk to other drivers. Hell, I bitch when I get blinded. It'd make me a hypocrit to say its ok for me to do to them. Can you honestly tell me you enjoy getting blinded yourself?
04-09-2003 | 06:18 AM
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Re: 2001 T/A Driving lights... Steve, as I said, I do things once and do them right. Yes, mine costed a premium, but they are worth every penny for that vaporizing power. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
2002_TAWS6, I do not specifically have a pic like that, but I will do so the next time I have it out. If you look at my thread labeled "Comparison of driving lights" you can see the performance of mine.
Also, one has to choose a beam pattern before making comparison's. I dunno what the B.T. 3200's are, but the specific ones I have are long range driving with only like a 35% sweep. THe close you go to an actual fog, the shorter the range, but the wider the field sweep. This is how the factory lights are like.
I'll post more about beam patterns later.
2002_TAWS6, I do not specifically have a pic like that, but I will do so the next time I have it out. If you look at my thread labeled "Comparison of driving lights" you can see the performance of mine.
Also, one has to choose a beam pattern before making comparison's. I dunno what the B.T. 3200's are, but the specific ones I have are long range driving with only like a 35% sweep. THe close you go to an actual fog, the shorter the range, but the wider the field sweep. This is how the factory lights are like.
I'll post more about beam patterns later.
04-09-2003 | 11:42 AM
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Re: 2001 T/A Driving lights... Wow...didn't realize the pissing contest that would start over driving lights.
My dad can beat up your dad. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Here's the deal. I drive a T/A. I'm impressed with the PIAA lights...but they are DAMN expensive...so if I can get something that is an 85% solution for 1/3 the price...I'm in there like swimwear.
My decision was going to be between the PIAA 510s (thanks for the input on those...how were they to install?) and the Blazertechs...didn't even know about the CyberWhites. Now, due to proximity and cost, I might put a set of those on to see if I like them. If I do, great...if not, they'll come off and be put on my beater.
Jeez, guys...its lights. No one said anything about your moms or anything. But if it keeps up like this, its bound to happen...
Can't we have a mature discussion?
Byrdman
My dad can beat up your dad. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Here's the deal. I drive a T/A. I'm impressed with the PIAA lights...but they are DAMN expensive...so if I can get something that is an 85% solution for 1/3 the price...I'm in there like swimwear.
My decision was going to be between the PIAA 510s (thanks for the input on those...how were they to install?) and the Blazertechs...didn't even know about the CyberWhites. Now, due to proximity and cost, I might put a set of those on to see if I like them. If I do, great...if not, they'll come off and be put on my beater.
Jeez, guys...its lights. No one said anything about your moms or anything. But if it keeps up like this, its bound to happen...
Can't we have a mature discussion?
Byrdman
04-09-2003 | 06:05 PM
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Re: 2001 T/A Driving lights... Here's the new thread. Lets start over. If you have some pics and facts about the blazertech 3200s please join! :
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ulti...=005218#000002
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ulti...=005218#000002
