I believe you get that out of the Meguiars Ultimate, that is considered a sealant. I have never used the Meguiars Ultimate but have used the Meguiars nxt and paint sealant 2.0 and liked both a lot.

I would just leave your car as is ya like it. See how long it lasts and when need be apply something else like a sealant if ya want longer protection.

 

But if i mix both products on one pad and apply it.....will the Meguiars stay on the car like normal and give me long lasting protection..?

1-2 weeks for this Carnuba is pretty cheesy.....so if I can knock out the work all in one pass I will.

i have to do my wife’s Porsche Macan on Monday. So I can do the same amount of work and have that Meguiars applied at the same time.

 

Shortcuts are not always the best thing. You can easily apply a synthetic wax (aka sealant) over an AIO at any time to increase longevity. There are many factors to consider with longevity and durability.

You can also use a spray wax as well. Meguiar's Ultimate Quick Wax for example.

If you wish to stay within the Griot's family.

 

Detailing world is full of marketing tricks. First of all, carnauba is a cleaner wax, it's designed to lift bonded contaminants from the paint over time. Carnauba wax deteriorates under extreme heat (think summer sun in direct light) very quickly, usually lasting at most a couple months. Carnauba is designed for the non professional car guy that doesn't clay his car or use iron x to remove deep bonded contaminants and you won't ever achieve a true deep gloss shine. It's perfect for the daily driver.

AIOs do a decent job but they are usually just a very fine polish mixed with synthetic or carnauba wax to give the car a decent shine and remove swirl marks and holograms. Some of the better ones I have used are HD speed and griots. I like HD speed because it applies easier in sunlight on warm panels. Typically these waxes only last a couple months at most before needing to reapply and are never usually aggressive enough to remove scratches and give the car a deep gloss shine. Again for the more casual user.

Megs has a professional line that will really get the car to pop but its a 3 - 4 step process. The ultimate line of products is not their "high end" grade. Its merely the better quality of harmless residential grade product. The pro line would be the mirror glaze series in the tan bottles. You would compound the car, polish then wax it and use the correct corresponding pads to do so. This compound is the stuff that will really haze up the paint but remove lots of defect along the way. It will take a lot of time but offer a true deep gloss shine. Usually, you'd clay the car first to remove hard bonded contaminants before you compound. You will want a dual action for this because it will take days to do it by hand.

I'm not a pro detailer but I've spent thousands on these products and have learned a lot along the way. So I can try to offer whatever help i can to get you to your goals.

 

If you want quick and easy this is what I do, use a DA and hit it with HD speed, then finish it with meguires fast finish. Should last a few months and fash finish is on the level of a commercial grade that many dont know about. It is a sealant and does a good job at offering a deeper gloss that lasts longer then carnauba. If you haven't clayed the car yet, it doesn't take long and I'd personally do that too.

Oh and HD speed likes to dust. Make sure the pad is as clean as possible and really saturate it with product. Then spritz some water on the pad so the product really sticks.

 

I just figured since both my cars are daily drivers and I'm not a professional looking for the most top end possible show car finish look........I could mix thyme Griots and Meguiars Ultimare Wax on the same pad and do one application. Its certain two leave a lot of the Meguiars Wax on the car, just to m are this an easier job and be faster. I have no problem redoing my car every 2 months if needed. But it would just be nice to not have to do 2-3 steps and spend 4-6 hours on it.

 

Thanks for the info.....

What I'll do is follow up on my Trans Am with a new application of my Meguiars Ultimate Wax cover the AIO Griots job I just did......the Meguiars lasts 5-6 months on may car, so that will be sufficient for me.

Next week when I do my wife's Macan I'm gonna try to mix them on one pad just to see how that comes out. What I'll do is use the mix on say one half of the hood and one front fender. Then do the rest of the car in 2 nagteps....AIO Griots first......then I'll do the Meguiars in a second step for that part of the car.

Then I'll see how both ways last.......I'll check it over the next couple months to see if the "mixed" panels are losing their protection faster than the true 2 step panels do.

 

I used my big dopey 20 year old Black and Decker 10" diameter orbital and my car out amazing. Maybe it would have come out a bit better with a smaller DA buffer. I'll probably get one soon, but the paint on my Trans Am and the Porsche are pretty much in brand new shape, so I didn't get one this time.

I clayed the car before the applications, yes. I'll clay the Porsche also.

 

Carnauba is not just a cleaner wax. Carnauba is a form of protection. It is true that AIO's contain carnauba as well as some being synthetic in their form of protection. Carnauba wax will also not lift bonded contaminants off the surface. That is what a clay bar or synthetic clay is designed for. AIO's, compounds and polishes are designed to remove below surface contaminants (aka swirls).

If you are getting dusting it sure sounds like you are using way too much product.

It won't benefit you with mixing products on the same pad. You can apply UW as soon as your done with the AIO.I mentioned those spray products as some leave a layer of protection as well.

These tools are known as wax spreaders meaning they don't do that well to correct the paint. But each person has a different level of what they consider perfection.

 

So if I mixed on the same pad you're saying the Meguiars UW will not remain on the car at all?



It definitely removed all the swirl marks on my mothers black Kia Sport.....the entire car was full of swirl marks.

But I will probably be getting a smaller 6" DA with a few different pad types. I'd like to do my Trans Am with it to see how nice I can make it look. But as I mentioned.....its pretty damn amazing looking after what I did with the Griots AIO and my big orbital......I'm surprised.

My pics after the orbital and AIO are in the other thread I started....not sure how much better it can possibly get.

 

Those products are loaded with fillers meaning they did not remove the swirls and scratches, they just filled them in. If you were to just strip the wax off most, of the imperfections would be revealed again. Once the wax starts to disappear on its own the scratches and swirls will also start to reappear.

 

That is not what I am saying. I am just saying that there is no benefit to mixing them on the same pad.

You would be surprised how much more gloss and correction dedicated products get compared to an AIO.

Exactly this. The wax will fill to a certain extent.

 

Hm let me rephrase what I was saying so it's more correct, carnuba wax isnt itself a cleaner, although most name brand carnuba waxes and pasts contain cleaning agents within the wax to help lift contaminents and buff out minor scratches and swirls. They also usually contain fillers that help fill in micro defects and give the car a deeper color. There are pure carnuba waxes on the market that do a good job of protecting the paint, although once a panel reaches over 170 deg it breaks down and becomes less effective. I prefer synthetic waxes that aim to work as well or better then carnuba but without the issue of breakdown in summer heat.

Also, saturating a pad in liquid won't cause dusting it will fling the product all over the place. Dusting is from the product drying as it's on the pad thats building up heat which is where the water comes in handy. In my experience. I usually saturate the lad in product and rub it into the pad evenly, then hit the panel at low speed and spread product out, then speed it buffer up.

 

Well, I think you were right about the Carnuba wax in the Griots 3-n-1.......my car is still very smooth and there's definitely still some there, but its not going to last like the Meguiars Ultimate Wax.......so I tossed a coat of that on today.

I still need to try to mix the Griots with the Meguiars on the same pad just to see how that works out. See how long the Meguiars that's left on the car remains...... I'll do that with the Porsche Macan next week......

 

Lot's of misinformation in this thread from some weekend warriors than obviously don't know WTF they are talking about.

 

Not sure what info you think is bad......

But I'm just saying the Griots 3-n-1 I used worked wonders on the clear coat.....the finish came out amazing. Its Carnuba based. Its not lasting.....as "98Cayenne" said. My Meguiars Ultimate Wax lasts on my car 5-6 month's. So I added a coat of that Meguiars over the Griots. So I did some novice clear coat correction and now the clear coat is protected very well with the Meguiars.