lookin sharp 
Detail: 2002 SS
Originally Posted by Gipraw
Looks very nice .. great shine on the silver .. just a great looking car, period. 
a couple of comments ..
Most of the time, it is a good idea to follow # 83 with #80 due the slight micromarring that #83 usually causes. It is not as big an issue with the Fbody clear, due to how hard it is.
#80 has no protective qualities to it at all.. neither does #7, or #83, for that matter.
when using both a synthetic and carnauba, the carnauba should always go on last .. in this case .. NXT then #26. that way the carnauba willgive you some color depth and a little extra protection .. also knocks down the saran wrap look that some synthetics have ..
so the order would be :
#83
#80 (if needed)
#7 (if used)
NXT (or #21)
#26
.
a couple of comments ..
Most of the time, it is a good idea to follow # 83 with #80 due the slight micromarring that #83 usually causes. It is not as big an issue with the Fbody clear, due to how hard it is.
#80 has no protective qualities to it at all.. neither does #7, or #83, for that matter.
when using both a synthetic and carnauba, the carnauba should always go on last .. in this case .. NXT then #26. that way the carnauba willgive you some color depth and a little extra protection .. also knocks down the saran wrap look that some synthetics have ..
so the order would be :
#83
#80 (if needed)
#7 (if used)
NXT (or #21)
#26
.
thanks for the info...i've been doing claybar, step 1, 26, and NXT by hand for a while now and loved the results...
i really didn't see a need for 80 this time, but i know what you're talking about. i've always detailed with the philosophy of a polisher can be broke down so a wax goes on top of it, i.e; a wax seals the finish you've attained with the polisher, so it goes on last
she's going into the dealership/body shop in a few weeks, so when i get her back, i imagine i'll have to do this all over again. i'll make sure to get more pads and maybe do the 83-80-nxt-26 and see how it turns out
Originally Posted by venom ws7
Wow man you look so happy.
Nice work very nice.
Nice work very nice.
**** ya, using the DA was a lot more work then i imagined! i was glad to be done
i was also really happy with how the top turned out, i had some pretty deep scratches i didn't think would come out, and after a couple passes they were almost completely gone...they're so minute now that when i tried showing my friend i couldn't find them for a minute!
Originally Posted by davered00ss
My plan was
Wash
Clay
#83 w/8006 pad
#80 w/8006 pad
NXT with a 9006 pad
Are you saying I need to put another coat of wax over the NXT? If that's the case I should just use the Gold wax.
Wash
Clay
#83 w/8006 pad
#80 w/8006 pad
NXT with a 9006 pad
Are you saying I need to put another coat of wax over the NXT? If that's the case I should just use the Gold wax.
I am not a big fan of the Gold Class wax (looks great, but doesn't last for beans).. for stuff you can buy anywhere, I prefer Meg's #26, Mother's Pure Carnauba, or S100, which you can get at any Harley shop.
but the NXT by itself is fine as a last step.
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Lookin good man...gotta love silver. I like the CME molded, One of these day's i'll get one 
. I just wish those tips were more visible from behind. It's nice they are offered in 3in. though.
. I just wish those tips were more visible from behind. It's nice they are offered in 3in. though. 
I don't see any reason to use NXT at all if you're going to use #26. To me, that would just be a waste of time. #26 looks great and provides great coverage and protection. NXT is a cleaner wax and is meant to remove any prior wax while putting the new coat on. That wouldn't benefit you if you're putting #26 on right after or before.
Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
I don't see any reason to use NXT at all if you're going to use #26. To me, that would just be a waste of time. #26 looks great and provides great coverage and protection. NXT is a cleaner wax and is meant to remove any prior wax while putting the new coat on. That wouldn't benefit you if you're putting #26 on right after or before.
there is no beneift ot putting NXT on after #26 .. but there is a benefit in doing it the other way around .. especially on darker colored cars..
Originally Posted by Gipraw
Looks very nice .. great shine on the silver .. just a great looking car, period.
a couple of comments ..
Most of the time, it is a good idea to follow # 83 with #80 due the slight micromarring that #83 usually causes. It is not as big an issue with the Fbody clear, due to how hard it is.
#80 has no protective qualities to it at all.. neither does #7, or #83, for that matter.
when using both a synthetic and carnauba, the carnauba should always go on last .. in this case .. NXT then #26. that way the carnauba willgive you some color depth and a little extra protection .. also knocks down the saran wrap look that some synthetics have ..
so the order would be :
#83
#80 (if needed)
#7 (if used)
NXT (or #21)
#26
.
a couple of comments ..
Most of the time, it is a good idea to follow # 83 with #80 due the slight micromarring that #83 usually causes. It is not as big an issue with the Fbody clear, due to how hard it is.
#80 has no protective qualities to it at all.. neither does #7, or #83, for that matter.
when using both a synthetic and carnauba, the carnauba should always go on last .. in this case .. NXT then #26. that way the carnauba willgive you some color depth and a little extra protection .. also knocks down the saran wrap look that some synthetics have ..
so the order would be :
#83
#80 (if needed)
#7 (if used)
NXT (or #21)
#26
.
If I may add, it's really hard to get noticeable micro-marr on F-body's with the orange pad on a PC, period... Yellow pad, now that may be a different story, but I have yet to take a yellow pad to my 2002 TA.
Either way, whether I can observe the need visually or not, I ALWAYS use the white pad with something like, say, Meguiars no. 9 or Menzerna Final Polish for instance, no matter what following the orange pad.
Question: I've never used Meguiars no. 21 sealant but I use no. 20 very often which followed by 26 is ridiculously shiny. I find that 20 lasts a LONG freaking time... Is 21 more durable?
Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
What would that benefit be? I would think the carnauba would mask any visual effect the NXT provided.
Carnauba brings shine to anything, and it makes what might already be shiny shinier.
Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
I don't see any reason to use NXT at all if you're going to use #26. To me, that would just be a waste of time. #26 looks great and provides great coverage and protection. NXT is a cleaner wax and is meant to remove any prior wax while putting the new coat on. That wouldn't benefit you if you're putting #26 on right after or before.
Yes, if you apply no. 26 followed by NXT, you just wasted the 26 because the NXT "cleaned" it. However, once the layer of NXT is set first, no. 26 can ride right on top. No. 26 can layer over anything.
Originally Posted by bboyferal
Carnauba doesn't mask anything.
Carnauba brings shine to anything, and it makes what might already be shiny shinier.
26 is great (beautiful, actually), but it doesn't last for ****. The reason you'd use NXT first, which is a great, easily accessible sealant, is because once the no. 26 wears off (which it will do VERY QUICKLY, even on a garage-kept car) the car will at least still be protected by the NXT.
Yes, if you apply no. 26 followed by NXT, you just wasted the 26 because the NXT "cleaned" it. However, once the layer of NXT is set first, no. 26 can ride right on top. No. 26 can layer over anything.
Carnauba brings shine to anything, and it makes what might already be shiny shinier.
26 is great (beautiful, actually), but it doesn't last for ****. The reason you'd use NXT first, which is a great, easily accessible sealant, is because once the no. 26 wears off (which it will do VERY QUICKLY, even on a garage-kept car) the car will at least still be protected by the NXT.
Yes, if you apply no. 26 followed by NXT, you just wasted the 26 because the NXT "cleaned" it. However, once the layer of NXT is set first, no. 26 can ride right on top. No. 26 can layer over anything.
Last edited by ArcticZ28; Jun 17, 2007 at 11:52 PM.
Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
Carnauba doesn't make anything shine. The shine comes from the steps before the wax, such as polishing/glazing. Wax merely adds protection. It may fill in some swirls and other imperfections, but that's about all it does, visually. I think you may be a bit confused in your statements. #26 outlasts NXT by a long shot. It's a pure carnauba and, when applied properly, in no way should ever wear down quicker than NXT. I've personally used both and NXT wears down much quicker, which I've found is backed up by quite a few others' experiences as well.
Wax doesn't make anything shine? Thick layers of wax play with light in beautiful ways! A heavily layered coat seems like you can get lost in it. Glazes nourish paint and can heighten color, but why do you think our cars are painted with clearcoat? That clear paint adds depth to the color underneath. Imagine wax a "temporary" extra clear cloat. Of course there will be more shine. There better be, that's why we still use carnaubas today!
If not we'd all be using only sealants and call it a day.Here do some reading... I think you're a bit confused. I found this in one minute. I could keep going if you like. I bolded out the part about carnaubas adding shine for you:
There are two, and only two, forms of protection: carnauba waxes and paint sealants. Car Waxes are the traditional, natural, time tested form of protection for cars; paint sealants are newer to the scene—chemically formulated to do the same thing as a car wax.
What’s the difference? Carnauba car wax produces an enviable deep, wet healthy shine that you can’t attain with a sealant. However, car waxes have a melting point that is easily reached in very warm climates, have limited longevity (eight to twelve weeks), and are typically more difficult to apply and buff off than paint sealants. Paint sealants are formulated to mimic the level of depth and wetness that a good car wax produces, but just a select few can even come close, in my opinion. On the other hand, today’s paint sealants (the quality ones) last six to eight months(!), and will not melt, wash off or wear away.
What’s the difference? Carnauba car wax produces an enviable deep, wet healthy shine that you can’t attain with a sealant. However, car waxes have a melting point that is easily reached in very warm climates, have limited longevity (eight to twelve weeks), and are typically more difficult to apply and buff off than paint sealants. Paint sealants are formulated to mimic the level of depth and wetness that a good car wax produces, but just a select few can even come close, in my opinion. On the other hand, today’s paint sealants (the quality ones) last six to eight months(!), and will not melt, wash off or wear away.
Last edited by bboyferal; Jun 18, 2007 at 12:16 AM.
Werd. Thanks for that insight. I was under the wrong impression this whole time. I could have sworn I read that carnauba lasts the longest, but then again that could have been relative to the other respective options of discussion. What you say makes sense when I think about it.