Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro?
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Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? just realized I kind of took over the thread. Sorry about that. Thanks for the info guys. I am going to my boss's house right now to learn how to wetsand so I will ask him about it.
Thanks again
Mike
Am I right about the x-11 though?
Thanks again
Mike
Am I right about the x-11 though?
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Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? Your boss is full of it, there isn't an "SS-327" Camaro. Not even in '68. All '68s were SS-350 or SS-396 also.
327ci engines came in base model '68 Camaros. There were actually a few base model 69 Camaros made with that engine, but they swapped mid-production to the 307ci for the base model V8. My first '69 Camaro was a base model 327ci car.
"X11" does not guarantee the car is an SS. X11 just meant "Style Trim Group", which could have been a base model with the chrome fender trim and window/headlight trim (most likely). There were a few SS-350s with the X11 code, but most of the ones you see out there now are just fakes. Possible X11 cars:
-base model 6-cylinder with chrome fender/headlight/rain gutter trim
-base model 8-cylinder with chrome fender/headlight/rain gutter trim
-base model 6-cylinder with RS hidden headlight package
-base model 8-cylinder with RS hidden headlight package
-SS-350 with chrome fender/headlight/rain gutter trim
-SS-350 with RS hidden headlight package
All real X11 SS-350s came with a factory 12-bolt (except some powerglide 2-spd tranny cars), front power disk brakes, 3 turn lock-to-lock steering gearbox, and multi-leaf rear leaf springs.
Here is a good link:
http://www.chevy-camaro.com/chevy-ca...ecode-1969.htm
fake SS Camaros
327ci engines came in base model '68 Camaros. There were actually a few base model 69 Camaros made with that engine, but they swapped mid-production to the 307ci for the base model V8. My first '69 Camaro was a base model 327ci car.
"X11" does not guarantee the car is an SS. X11 just meant "Style Trim Group", which could have been a base model with the chrome fender trim and window/headlight trim (most likely). There were a few SS-350s with the X11 code, but most of the ones you see out there now are just fakes. Possible X11 cars:
-base model 6-cylinder with chrome fender/headlight/rain gutter trim
-base model 8-cylinder with chrome fender/headlight/rain gutter trim
-base model 6-cylinder with RS hidden headlight package
-base model 8-cylinder with RS hidden headlight package
-SS-350 with chrome fender/headlight/rain gutter trim
-SS-350 with RS hidden headlight package
All real X11 SS-350s came with a factory 12-bolt (except some powerglide 2-spd tranny cars), front power disk brakes, 3 turn lock-to-lock steering gearbox, and multi-leaf rear leaf springs.
Here is a good link:
http://www.chevy-camaro.com/chevy-ca...ecode-1969.htm
fake SS Camaros Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? What Tony said.. my car is a X-11 car.. the VIN tells me it came with a V8.. is it an SS? who knows, the car has been so modified that it impossible to tell.. the guy I bought it from said it had SS emblems on it when he bought it but you never know unless you have a protecto plate or its coded right.. hell, there are even lots of guys out there making fake cowl tags and such.. the key is to buy what you like 
My car:
I actually wanted a non-numbers matching car since I was going to mess with it so much..
My car:
I actually wanted a non-numbers matching car since I was going to mess with it so much..
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Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? I also wanted a non-numbers matching '69, but the body of my car is an X55, which is a real SS-350. I didn't want an original engine vehicle, those cost too much to purchase if you have plans on modifying them.
Steve, there are a few other visual hints about SS's. The SS's had factory dual exhausts, and this required an additional exhaust hanger welded to the driver's side of the frame on the back over the axle. Non-SS/Z28s only had a factory hanger on the passenger side.
Steve, there are a few other visual hints about SS's. The SS's had factory dual exhausts, and this required an additional exhaust hanger welded to the driver's side of the frame on the back over the axle. Non-SS/Z28s only had a factory hanger on the passenger side.
Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? Thanks Tony, I will check.. but since the last buyer bought the car as a "no drivetrain" shell I might never know.. I can mod the crap out of this car and feel no guilt 
-- Not that it would bother me to chop up a real SS either, not like a base 350 SS was all that rare.
I can't tell you how many "real" 69 Z28's I see with automatic transmissions
-- Not that it would bother me to chop up a real SS either, not like a base 350 SS was all that rare. I can't tell you how many "real" 69 Z28's I see with automatic transmissions
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Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? Yeah, fake Z28s bug me also. Even when my first car was just a base model 69 Camaro, I disliked fakes. My first car actually came with Z28 emblems all over it, and I didn't know much about 1st gens so I thought it was a Z28. Once I learned that it wasn't, I pulled the emblems off and chunked them. I guess since that happened to me on my very first car, it really, really bugs me to see people sell cars for what they aren't.
The differences in prices between an SS and a base model, in the same condition, is only about $2-3K in value for a '69 Camaro. If they both have numbers matching longblocks, that value difference approaches $5K though. But, since you will probably never sell your 69 to a collector of "authentic" cars, it really doesn't matter. But, I could always get bored in my old age and return my 69 back to all-stock and do a numbers "era" match restoration and go that route. Not likely though
The differences in prices between an SS and a base model, in the same condition, is only about $2-3K in value for a '69 Camaro. If they both have numbers matching longblocks, that value difference approaches $5K though. But, since you will probably never sell your 69 to a collector of "authentic" cars, it really doesn't matter. But, I could always get bored in my old age and return my 69 back to all-stock and do a numbers "era" match restoration and go that route. Not likely though
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Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? I used to know the 4-5 ways to tell the cars apart... The BBC 67-69 cars had a bigger diameter fuel line, different front springs, and multi-leaf rear suspensions (going off of memory).
Only 10% of the 69 Z/28's came with the cowl hood stock. Most had a flat hood.
I think all 69 Z's were manual steering.
A stock SS hood for 1969 would have had the fake porthole setups on the hood...
My old 69 Z/28 was Lemans blue, M21, with 3.73 gears. Original paint.
Only 10% of the 69 Z/28's came with the cowl hood stock. Most had a flat hood.
I think all 69 Z's were manual steering.
A stock SS hood for 1969 would have had the fake porthole setups on the hood...
My old 69 Z/28 was Lemans blue, M21, with 3.73 gears. Original paint.
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Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro?
my car is a X-11 car.. the VIN tells me it came with a V8.. is it an SS? who knows, the car has been so modified that it impossible to tell..
I really appreciate your guys help, I am learning a lot by this.
Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? Sure anything is possible but if it looks like it came with the 327 then its not an SS since im pretty sure all SS's had at least a 350.. Way more SS and Z28 badges have been sold than cars were made
Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? Like Rob said.. yep, from John -- issues prevented him from finising it up. Only 150 miles on it since it was put back together!!
I already have a TON of stuff ordered for it including billet valve covers, Covans dash (with guages), more exterior brightwork, brakes, etc.
Im going to TRY and see if I like having an auto trans but if not then it will be getting a 5 speed OD Tremec trans set-up
Looks like John put a lot of quality work into the car and I hope to kick it up a few notches.
Car was loaded onto the enclosed trailer this morning for its journey west.. I should get it by this Friday!!!
-- issues prevented him from finising it up. Only 150 miles on it since it was put back together!!I already have a TON of stuff ordered for it including billet valve covers, Covans dash (with guages), more exterior brightwork, brakes, etc.
Im going to TRY and see if I like having an auto trans but if not then it will be getting a 5 speed OD Tremec trans set-up
Looks like John put a lot of quality work into the car and I hope to kick it up a few notches.
Car was loaded onto the enclosed trailer this morning for its journey west.. I should get it by this Friday!!!
Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro?
Like Rob said.. yep, from John -- issues prevented him from finising it up. Only 150 miles on it since it was put back together!!
I already have a TON of stuff ordered for it including billet valve covers, Covans dash (with guages), more exterior brightwork, brakes, etc.
Im going to TRY and see if I like having an auto trans but if not then it will be getting a 5 speed OD Tremec trans set-up
Looks like John put a lot of quality work into the car and I hope to kick it up a few notches.
Car was loaded onto the enclosed trailer this morning for its journey west.. I should get it by this Friday!!!
-- issues prevented him from finising it up. Only 150 miles on it since it was put back together!!I already have a TON of stuff ordered for it including billet valve covers, Covans dash (with guages), more exterior brightwork, brakes, etc.
Im going to TRY and see if I like having an auto trans but if not then it will be getting a 5 speed OD Tremec trans set-up
Looks like John put a lot of quality work into the car and I hope to kick it up a few notches.
Car was loaded onto the enclosed trailer this morning for its journey west.. I should get it by this Friday!!!
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Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? Hey Stevo, Are you gonna go with a 6 spd or 5 spd? Any idea which clutch system will hold all that torque from that Rat?
Also thanks for giving me first dibs on the export tail lamps. You're right about people not really noticing the difference between the U.S. versions. I do get more stares at my rear now but they just can't figure out what's different. lol!
Also thanks for giving me first dibs on the export tail lamps. You're right about people not really noticing the difference between the U.S. versions. I do get more stares at my rear now but they just can't figure out what's different. lol!
Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro?
i hear a Wayne Due front subframe calling your name steve !!
Right now the car has powder painted a-arms and new polygraphite bushings so that will do.. next would be tubular A-arms and MAYBE a coilover kit.. HyperSS - Glad you like the lights.. get the bulbs switched around??
I will try the TH350 the car has and see how its street and freeway manners are. If I like it then I have $3000 more to blow on other parts of the car. If I dont like then I will get a 5 speed Tremec with 5th gear OD..
Is it Friday yet?????????
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Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? Steve- Congrats on the new car. I was just watching an episode of hot rod tv featuring the power tour. They showed several different people saying their names by their car and I think I recognized your name. Could be wrong, it is late.
Re: Steve? Progress on the Z069 Camaro? FWIW...my ultra rare 1998 1LE Formula will have an A4 console setup with an auto soon
But it will retain the ID tag that shows it as an 1LE car.
That is a very sharp '69. Wish I had the money to pull off something like you are doing. Excellent project
But it will retain the ID tag that shows it as an 1LE car.
That is a very sharp '69. Wish I had the money to pull off something like you are doing. Excellent project