Saw a Dick Harrell car today, must say I am very disappointed by the quality...
06-02-2008, 01:08 PM
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The sad thing is that when people have the money to buy these cars they do not take care of them the way they should. Regardless of how much this car is driven it should be clean. The engine bay is a disgrace. I can live with the flaws in the body work since these are hand built and adds to the uniqueness of the car but the other details should be meticulously taken care of. Something like this that is shown to others should never be dirty. My SS with over 102,000 on it is cleaner than this car and that is sad.
06-02-2008, 01:25 PM
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And to everyone getting their panties in a wad about him saying something negative about the vaunted Harrell cars, get over yourselves. Nobody cares if you saw them being built, saw one at a show, or saw a magazine article about one. The fact is, DEMONBIRD...er...6LITEREATER guy (who is NOT a troll, by any stretch) saw one and was honest about his opinions, without letting the "legend" get in the way. While I'd like to see the same car up close and personal like he did, he posted about what he saw, and I respect that. If I paid that kind of money for a special edition Camaro, I'd sure as hell want it to be as close to perfect as possible too.
-Mike
06-02-2008, 02:17 PM
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Ok, so I was there too. I saw the legendary "Dick Harrell car". Was it cool? I suppose. Different? Definately! Look like it was daily driven? Yes (and i respect that). Look worth 100K? NO WAY.
The car was very unique but it did have very minimal issues. I DID see the slight imperfections in the paint just infront of the rear passengers side wheel (where it looks like the fenders had the work done) and to me it looked like the paint hadn't cured completely or the prep under the paint was compromised (maybe someone's oily finger touched it while he was watching it [and others] get built, and just had to feel the car??)
Maybe..... when the side stripes were redone the side of the car had to be possibly re-painted?? Could the new shop have not cared as much since it is after all, just a camaro??
Who knows. What I do know is that it was a unique car, and i'm lucky to have seen one with my very own eyes and i'm sure there are thousands of guys out there who might NEVER get to see one.
The fact alone that it gets driven is awesome, and i'm sure the owner of the DH camaro doesn't give a **** what we think or "know" anyway, since he drives it and enjoys it....the way WE ALL DO our camaros.
Afterall, isn't his car 7-8 years old? I wish mine looked that good (or could fetch that price)
The car was very unique but it did have very minimal issues. I DID see the slight imperfections in the paint just infront of the rear passengers side wheel (where it looks like the fenders had the work done) and to me it looked like the paint hadn't cured completely or the prep under the paint was compromised (maybe someone's oily finger touched it while he was watching it [and others] get built, and just had to feel the car??)
Maybe..... when the side stripes were redone the side of the car had to be possibly re-painted?? Could the new shop have not cared as much since it is after all, just a camaro??
Who knows. What I do know is that it was a unique car, and i'm lucky to have seen one with my very own eyes and i'm sure there are thousands of guys out there who might NEVER get to see one.
The fact alone that it gets driven is awesome, and i'm sure the owner of the DH camaro doesn't give a **** what we think or "know" anyway, since he drives it and enjoys it....the way WE ALL DO our camaros.
Afterall, isn't his car 7-8 years old? I wish mine looked that good (or could fetch that price)
06-02-2008, 03:59 PM
#45
I've spent enough time hanging around a very good friend Chris (Whistler) one of the best body guys on this forum if not the country (I still haven't seen another Targa topped Camaro) to know what poor craftmanship looks like, maybe you don't.
Regarldess, the point is right now you are doing nothing more than talking out your @ss about the past. You aren't standing in front of the car seeing what I saw to make a judgement on it.
This is like someone going to the dealer with a car that blew up due to faulty gas lines and the dealer tells them they've seen millions of cars and none had that problem so the person must be imagining it...
GMMG has a very good reputation that was earned by producing great specialty vehicles. You are the only one who has ever criticze the quality of the build their cars. These cars have been featured in many magazine articles and at many automotive events. They have received nothing but stellar reviews.
When you resorted to name calling and a personal attack it just reinforced my feelings that you are a just a jealous, envious person. A person that wants to demean a much nicer car than the one that you drive. Maybe you chould check into attending a anger management class or seek some counseling to help you with your obvious problem.
You probably only know the term troll because it has been applied to you. This account alone has way more posts than you not including the 3000+ I had as DEMONBIRD before the name change. I don't talk **** but I don't ignore it either...
06-02-2008, 04:05 PM
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06-02-2008, 04:11 PM
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The 63 Grand Sport Replica Vette I helped build, looked awesome, but it too had what one could critique as horrific flaws, but it still sold for over $100,000 and was a BLAST to drive.
When you build a car like this with materials of diffent charateristics, and "moldablity" issues that you find aweful occur.
When you build a car yourself, then critique . . .
When you build a car like this with materials of diffent charateristics, and "moldablity" issues that you find aweful occur.
When you build a car yourself, then critique . . .
Sorry, but I have been around better. If this car came out of Chip Foose's (who I have hung out with plenty) shop and he saw these flaws you bet your @ss it would be back in and done right... I have seen plenty of the Overhaulin' cars, Unique Cars he helped design and other customer cars in person and none had flaws this big. Let alone any of his show cars...
I am not a builder but again:
"I've spent enough time hanging around a very good friend Chris (Whistler) one of the best body guys on this forum if not the country (I still haven't seen another Targa topped Camaro) to know what poor craftmanship looks like..."
I spent countless nights with him doing minor things on up to helping wiht the cutsom bumper that is now on VSGLS1's car. I know what goes into it and I know how to spot bad work. End of story.
Yeah, sometimes you get a bad batch of stuff and it cures funny down the road (which is what could have happened on the fenders)... but the hood alignment? Come on now...
Again, my first encounter with the car I spent almost half an hour amazed I was actually seeing it in person, totally dumbstruck. The overall impression of the car, it looks AMAZING!
Second half hour, later in the day, the initial awe wore off and I started really checking it out (which I doubt the ordinary car show person gets the time to do) and that's when MIKE, not even myself, FIRST POINTED OUT had bad the fender was at about 40% of the angles you would look at it from...
I'm the nut job you see at shows that when he is fascinated (in love with) a car you can't drag me away untill I've laid on the ground all around the car just to take in every angle of it...
I don't do it to find flaws, cars I don't like due to flaws I make fun of (if someone is around) and keep moving. It is the cars I love that I camp out at most of the day.
No one else was hanging around this car for an hour and I didn't do it so I could come on here and trash it, it was just short of meeting Jesus for me.
God forgive me for coming on here and being honest about it
06-02-2008, 04:37 PM
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06-02-2008, 05:14 PM
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Meaning you haven't seen this one, like the OP has in person, correct? You're asserting that the craftsmanship on this car can't possibly be bad because you've seen others that were constructed well? I'm not trying to single you out in particular so please don't feel hostility, I am just trying to understand where your logic is in that argument.
I appreciate the OP actually giving first-hand experience, whether it is good or bad, with another Dick Harrell car. Is anyone really surprised that a DD DH car could be in less than optimal shape? Being a detailer I can tell you that a very expensive car in less than perfect shape for it's purchase value is of no surprise at all and often the norm.
I appreciate the OP actually giving first-hand experience, whether it is good or bad, with another Dick Harrell car. Is anyone really surprised that a DD DH car could be in less than optimal shape? Being a detailer I can tell you that a very expensive car in less than perfect shape for it's purchase value is of no surprise at all and often the norm.
06-02-2008, 07:19 PM
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I have seen the car in question. Read the first sentence. What part of my post saying that "I saw this car being constructed and saw it after completion" did you not understand. I saw this car again out on the Hot Rod Power Tour when it was still in its original configuration and it looked great. I've got some photos of it somewhere ... I'll see if I can dig them up ... This car has been to a body shop after it left GMMG. The origianal DH stripes are gone and the stripes on the hood have been changed too. Who ever did the work screwed up the car...as I said before none of the GMMG DH wide body cars that I have seen had poor craftmanship...I used 90% as a generality..there might have been a couple that I never saw but I have seen close to all them ... Beleive me you can't sell $100K + cars that have poor craftmanship .. The people who buy them are not bozo's thet just fell off the turnip truck..these guys are car guys and car collectors with deep pockets and know high quality when they see it .. I have seen DH cars that are 2, 3, and 4 years old and they still look as great as the day that they left GMMG...of course they have not been to some sorry azz body shop out west and been phuched with like this car obviously has... has the OP ever seen any other DH car in person or is this the only one.
Again, not saying all DH cars are like this, just saying this one is... Now, I believe it is very possible you are right about the hood... Maybe the shop that removed the stripes screwed up the alignment...
I don't see how because I was under the assumption that they were vinyl... Maybe when the side stripes were done they recleared it and pulled the hood off for that? I dunno...
Regardless, the back fenders had to have happened from the ORIGINAL body work unless another shop redid the molding...
This is not like a paint run or anything. It is very obviously an unblended bondo/body filler (whatever they used) line well under the basecoat.
Again, not questioning what YOU saw, just saying what I SAW and HOW IT SITS NOW. I still think this is something that could have appeared after the car had time to cure.
As far as the mod's comments I replied to earler, I can see what you are talking about with the hood (it was not a high production piece and looks like a handmade piece which is always rougher tham production quality ones).
It is one of what, like 30? That is understandable. The hood stuff is not acceptable whatever shop is responsible and the fender problems should be addressed... Those are the things I feel of course happen from time to time when doing something of this magnitude but should get fixed when it is a 100K plus car and not something your buddy is hooking you up with for a 6-Pack...
