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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Anyone have this $175 wax?

http://autogeek.net/wolfgang-fuzion-...r-car-wax.html
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 02:10 PM
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DO NOT USE MEQUIAR'S GOLD CLASS, NO. 26, OR NXT OR ANY MOTHER'S WAX PRODUCT.... these have slight abrasives in them and they do have some carnuba content.
Meguiar's #26 has no abrasives in it at all. It is not a cleaner-wax. NXT does have slight abrasives, and I say slight because it can be layered to a degree but does not have the cleaning power of a true cleaner-wax.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
Unless you have a showcar just stick with a sealant. Waxes degrade in the sun and heat. Any Zaino sealant and Z8 will look killer.
Yes, but the wax protects the sealant underneath, making it last longer. Two layers of protection is better than one.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
Yes, but the wax protects the sealant underneath, making it last longer. Two layers of protection is better than one.
Don't bet on it. Waxes contain solvents that can degrade the sealant. Zaino is truly layerable.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
Don't bet on it. Waxes contain solvents that can degrade the sealant. Zaino is truly layerable.
Such as...
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MrPongoSS
You can layer another coat of carnuba wax ofter 8-12 hours to give a deeper gloss.

no need to wait between layers of Carnauba.
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Anyone else know of a wax that degrades a sealant beneath it?
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
Anyone else know of a wax that degrades a sealant beneath it?
S100 probably is safe over a sealant since it is beeswax and carnauba but it has poor durability. Many waxes have strong solvents and may degrade a polymer base. Sealants are better choices.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
Many waxes have strong solvents and may degrade a polymer base.
Like what, though. I'm not familiar with any wax that will do that at all.
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Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
Like what, though. I'm not familiar with any wax that will do that at all.
Any wax with cleaners, abrasives or silicone oil in it.
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Well, yea. As already stated cleaner-waxes will do that, but not a true wax, which is why your reply to my statement about a true wax was a bit confusing. We don't want people in here thinking that a wax will degrade a sealant beneath it at all.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
S100 probably is safe over a sealant since it is beeswax and carnauba but it has poor durability. Many waxes have strong solvents and may degrade a polymer base. Sealants are better choices.
you can overlay a sealant with any pure carnauba.

The purpose of doing that is to add depth to the finish. and to also help knock down the "wrapped in plastic" look that you get with the majority of sealants.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
Well, yea. As already stated cleaner-waxes will do that, but not a true wax, which is why your reply to my statement about a true wax was a bit confusing. We don't want people in here thinking that a wax will degrade a sealant beneath it at all.
Here's the issue. The 100% carnauba wax claim is misleading. The carnauba content may be 100% but it's mixed with polymers, silicones and solvents in most cases. The Zymols may be pure waxes and S100 is but most others-highly doubtful.

Klasse AIO may be more resistant to degradation that others because it's an acrylic.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
Here's the issue. The 100% carnauba wax claim is misleading. The carnauba content may be 100% but it's mixed with polymers, silicones and solvents in most cases. The Zymols may be pure waxes and S100 is but most others-highly doubtful.
Haha, like I said... "like what"? You still haven't been able to give an example of a wax that will degrade a sealant, other than a cleaner-wax which is meant to degrade what is underneath it.
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Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
Haha, like I said... "like what"? You still haven't been able to give an example of a wax that will degrade a sealant, other than a cleaner-wax which is meant to degrade what is underneath it.
Prove that you still have a layer of polymer under that carnauba
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
Prove that you still have a layer of polymer under that carnauba
OK. I figured that was the only basis behind your claim. Never mind.
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There is nothing wrong with topping a sealant with a carnauba. It will not degrade the sealant.

the issue with topping it with a cleaner wax is not that it will degrade it after it is sitting on it, but that the cleaning properties will remove part of the sealant during application.

This comes from face to face discussions with the chemists that make the stuff.
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Old Aug 25, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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I just use meguiars nxt tech wax/paste. Which ever one. It all works great. Between waxes I just use the new 10 dollar a bottle meguiars new ultimate detailer. I've found that Ice works great on black cars.
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Originally Posted by Gipraw
There is nothing wrong with topping a sealant with a carnauba. It will not degrade the sealant.

the issue with topping it with a cleaner wax is not that it will degrade it after it is sitting on it, but that the cleaning properties will remove part of the sealant during application.

This comes from face to face discussions with the chemists that make the stuff.
Gipraw, you're forgetting that the proof that waxes degrade sealants is in the fact that the onus is on us to prove that it hasn't degraded the sealant beneath. You still haven't proven it! hahah.
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