View Poll Results: Do you manually shift your stock tranny/converter A4?
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How many manually shift their stock tranny A4 cars?
07-20-2009, 09:04 PM
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I shift 1-2 manually on the street in case I have to feather the wheelspin in first. I dont want it to dump into second if I have to manage throttle on a launch which is usually always the case with a 4,200 stall. On the track I usually hook good enough to let the trans work for me.
And the other instance to "manually shift" is when roll racing and isn't really manually shifting its more like manually starting in the right gear then letting the auto take over, and is actually better for the trans. From what i've read and been told WOT downshifts are brutal on the input sprag, So if your gonna do say a 50 roll you want to be in 2nd gear but 4th to 2nd gear WOT downshifts not only lag but will kill your trans if done enough.
But If you start in manual 2nd there's no lag of a downshift and the input sprag is better supported and not geting hammered from a WOT downshift... Then as soon as I'm floored I'll go strait from whatever gear I'm n to D and let the auto take over...
07-20-2009, 10:29 PM
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I do it. I normally drive it in drive but when someone tries to roll on me, I drop it to 2. I could drop it at 50 mph and still get a good pull out of 2 before going into 3. From there, I just run it up as fast as she will go.
07-21-2009, 06:31 AM
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Thats ******* great.
You need to spend a night at the track with hp tuners and watch your et drop just by tuning the trans.
Then come back here to talk ****.
See the problem is those of you running stock programming could go faster if you knew how to upshift manually without hitting the rev limiter.
Then there are those with tuning equipment who don't need to manually shift because they have their **** set up correctly.
You need to spend a night at the track with hp tuners and watch your et drop just by tuning the trans.
Then come back here to talk ****.
See the problem is those of you running stock programming could go faster if you knew how to upshift manually without hitting the rev limiter.
Then there are those with tuning equipment who don't need to manually shift because they have their **** set up correctly.
07-21-2009, 11:07 AM
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+1000 This is a good instance when to manually shift! I'll leave in manual 1st in a street race because Even on MT's I'm gonna spin some and in D or 3rd spinning or feathering the throttle off the line always ends up in a short shift to 2nd gea,r but once I know I have traction in 1st I'll go strait to D and let the auto do its thing...
And the other instance to "manually shift" is when roll racing and isn't really manually shifting its more like manually starting in the right gear then letting the auto take over, and is actually better for the trans. From what i've read and been told WOT downshifts are brutal on the input sprag, So if your gonna do say a 50 roll you want to be in 2nd gear but 4th to 2nd gear WOT downshifts not only lag but will kill your trans if done enough.
But If you start in manual 2nd there's no lag of a downshift and the input sprag is better supported and not geting hammered from a WOT downshift... Then as soon as I'm floored I'll go strait from whatever gear I'm n to D and let the auto take over...
And the other instance to "manually shift" is when roll racing and isn't really manually shifting its more like manually starting in the right gear then letting the auto take over, and is actually better for the trans. From what i've read and been told WOT downshifts are brutal on the input sprag, So if your gonna do say a 50 roll you want to be in 2nd gear but 4th to 2nd gear WOT downshifts not only lag but will kill your trans if done enough.
But If you start in manual 2nd there's no lag of a downshift and the input sprag is better supported and not geting hammered from a WOT downshift... Then as soon as I'm floored I'll go strait from whatever gear I'm n to D and let the auto take over...
I am definitely not advocating going from 2-D. I'm talking "sequentially" which is the way the tranny was meant to upshift. So I go 2-3-D just like that and typically the computer will pick the best shift points in those circumstances. So the only real advantage of upshifting manually would be to keep you power band/rpm range set at a designated point to come into a corner (avoiding the downshift) or for roll racing. Now for downshifting,that's a whole other thing. If you down shift from 3-2 while getting on the throttle, it works just fine and sounds great!
07-21-2009, 11:17 AM
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Well it helps people optimize their shift points I would say by trial and error. Once they find it manually they can set their shift points according to what they want via the pcm. Some cars/setups react differently and you won't know unless you run 'em and play around with 'em on the street/strip. How do you think GM optimized their shift points for the 10SS? Trial and error boys. Although they are more setup to manually shift via paddle shifters. You see my point though? Also you have to admit, a manually controlled auto sounds ssooooooo much more BEASTLY than letting it granny shift on its own and by letting it down shift to D coming up to a light doesn't even let you show off/hear your exhaust notes. No I don't want to do an M6 swap (more potential here for me in an A4). BUT- I do want to hear my car and feel it's power when I want to, not only when I punch it!
Thanks for the help though, and the laugh! 
07-21-2009, 04:10 PM
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07-21-2009, 07:33 PM
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07-21-2009, 09:38 PM
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Hold it in third to avoid downshifting? At certain speeds it should downshift all the way to first, even with it in third. What do you mean by that?
I think the poll options are limited.
They should be:
No, never I'm a ***** and don't want to break anything.
No, I can't. I always screw up and go all the way up to reverse.
Yes, I do it to make use of the rpm between upshift rpm and fuel cutoff.
Yes, I do it just because I want to.
I think the poll options are limited.
They should be:
No, never I'm a ***** and don't want to break anything.
No, I can't. I always screw up and go all the way up to reverse.
Yes, I do it to make use of the rpm between upshift rpm and fuel cutoff.
Yes, I do it just because I want to.
07-21-2009, 09:42 PM
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You're a waste of time, read my sig dumb ***, three cars listed. Heres some help, At least one is a six speed.
If the computer controls the shifts, why can you leave the shifter in 1st and it'll stay in first, it won't upshift until when? yea, until you move the lever, thats the concept of manual shifting.
Heres more help. In the 4L60E there is a manual lever connected via cable to the shifter. When you put the car in any gear that manual lever directs trans fluid to either the reverse circuit, or the first, or second, or third, or fourth, or neutral circuits. No mechanical connection but there is a PSM (Pressure Switch Manifold) with 5 or six switches in it that operate off a hydrualic signal that sends an electrical signal to the VCM.
Put the current trans gear PID in your HP Tuners and watch it go from R through 1st on the screen.
The way it works is when certain parameters are met the signal is sent to upshift (for example) IT WILL NOT UPSHIFT TO, SAY, THIRD IF YOU'RE HOLDING IT IN SECOND. It won't upshift until you manually move the lever to third. And as far as hitting the rev limiter it's like anything else that requires a reaction time, yes you do have to move the lever before it'll actually shift, but you can make it shift at a higher rpm without hitting the limiter.
The benefits come in when the trans trys to shift off mph when you could manually hold it and make it shift several hundred rpm higher.
Now tell me this. You voted Yes for racing I hold her in third to avoid downshifting
Are you telling me that if you put the shifter in third your car will not downshift?
The poll question doesn't even make sense.
If the computer controls the shifts, why can you leave the shifter in 1st and it'll stay in first, it won't upshift until when? yea, until you move the lever, thats the concept of manual shifting.
Heres more help. In the 4L60E there is a manual lever connected via cable to the shifter. When you put the car in any gear that manual lever directs trans fluid to either the reverse circuit, or the first, or second, or third, or fourth, or neutral circuits. No mechanical connection but there is a PSM (Pressure Switch Manifold) with 5 or six switches in it that operate off a hydrualic signal that sends an electrical signal to the VCM.
Put the current trans gear PID in your HP Tuners and watch it go from R through 1st on the screen.
The way it works is when certain parameters are met the signal is sent to upshift (for example) IT WILL NOT UPSHIFT TO, SAY, THIRD IF YOU'RE HOLDING IT IN SECOND. It won't upshift until you manually move the lever to third. And as far as hitting the rev limiter it's like anything else that requires a reaction time, yes you do have to move the lever before it'll actually shift, but you can make it shift at a higher rpm without hitting the limiter.
The benefits come in when the trans trys to shift off mph when you could manually hold it and make it shift several hundred rpm higher.
Now tell me this. You voted Yes for racing I hold her in third to avoid downshifting
Are you telling me that if you put the shifter in third your car will not downshift?
The poll question doesn't even make sense.
07-21-2009, 09:49 PM
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how many people do this?
or what type of people?
1. ricers
2. people that think they can shift faster than an auto
3. people that think they know how to shift better than a computer
4. people that think when they shift, it actually goes into the next gear when you do it
5. need i continue?
unless like someone said they do autox or something and they do it then.. i could understand it to a degree.. but then i must ask, if your doing road courses why the **** would you have an a4???
no reason whatsoever to do this.. if you saw a kid in a honda civic do it, you would laugh.. whats the difference?
you gain ZERO performance from this.. if you are "roll racing" then you just need to time when you kick it better not mess with the gear selector..
with that said, i dont think i need to even say it.. my car only sees P R and D..
or what type of people?
1. ricers
2. people that think they can shift faster than an auto
3. people that think they know how to shift better than a computer
4. people that think when they shift, it actually goes into the next gear when you do it
5. need i continue?
unless like someone said they do autox or something and they do it then.. i could understand it to a degree.. but then i must ask, if your doing road courses why the **** would you have an a4???
no reason whatsoever to do this.. if you saw a kid in a honda civic do it, you would laugh.. whats the difference?
you gain ZERO performance from this.. if you are "roll racing" then you just need to time when you kick it better not mess with the gear selector..
with that said, i dont think i need to even say it.. my car only sees P R and D..
07-21-2009, 09:55 PM
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how many people do this?
or what type of people?
1. ricers
2. people that think they can shift faster than an auto
3. people that think they know how to shift better than a computer
4. people that think when they shift, it actually goes into the next gear when you do it
5. need i continue?
unless like someone said they do autox or something and they do it then.. i could understand it to a degree.. but then i must ask, if your doing road courses why the **** would you have an a4???
no reason whatsoever to do this.. if you saw a kid in a honda civic do it, you would laugh.. whats the difference?
you gain ZERO performance from this.. if you are "roll racing" then you just need to time when you kick it better not mess with the gear selector..
with that said, i dont think i need to even say it.. my car only sees P R and D..
or what type of people?
1. ricers
2. people that think they can shift faster than an auto
3. people that think they know how to shift better than a computer
4. people that think when they shift, it actually goes into the next gear when you do it
5. need i continue?
unless like someone said they do autox or something and they do it then.. i could understand it to a degree.. but then i must ask, if your doing road courses why the **** would you have an a4???
no reason whatsoever to do this.. if you saw a kid in a honda civic do it, you would laugh.. whats the difference?
you gain ZERO performance from this.. if you are "roll racing" then you just need to time when you kick it better not mess with the gear selector..
with that said, i dont think i need to even say it.. my car only sees P R and D..
07-21-2009, 09:57 PM
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even at that.. your car is only going to downshift as much as it can.. if it will go into 2nd, it will go.. if it wont, it wont.. if your doing 40 mph and drop it in 1st its not going to shift down until you hit that speed..
like i said though.. just time when you kick it better.. 6 speeds hardly ever get the jump on me.. just always be the one honking and leave at the appropriate time.
07-21-2009, 09:59 PM
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how many people do this?
or what type of people?
1. ricers
2. people that think they can shift faster than an auto
3. people that think they know how to shift better than a computer
4. people that think when they shift, it actually goes into the next gear when you do it
5. need i continue?
unless like someone said they do autox or something and they do it then.. i could understand it to a degree.. but then i must ask, if your doing road courses why the **** would you have an a4???
no reason whatsoever to do this.. if you saw a kid in a honda civic do it, you would laugh.. whats the difference?
you gain ZERO performance from this.. if you are "roll racing" then you just need to time when you kick it better not mess with the gear selector..
with that said, i dont think i need to even say it.. my car only sees P R and D..
or what type of people?
1. ricers
2. people that think they can shift faster than an auto
3. people that think they know how to shift better than a computer
4. people that think when they shift, it actually goes into the next gear when you do it
5. need i continue?
unless like someone said they do autox or something and they do it then.. i could understand it to a degree.. but then i must ask, if your doing road courses why the **** would you have an a4???
no reason whatsoever to do this.. if you saw a kid in a honda civic do it, you would laugh.. whats the difference?
you gain ZERO performance from this.. if you are "roll racing" then you just need to time when you kick it better not mess with the gear selector..
with that said, i dont think i need to even say it.. my car only sees P R and D..
07-21-2009, 09:59 PM
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Thanks for your input Lemons. Noted. I disagree with some of it however, like the fact that you can hold your car in second for a longer period of time and let it come to a stop all the while getting all that wonderful exhaust note. Why would I hold it in second? It's ******' fun is why lol. But I respect your opinion and it makes good sense.
yes you can.. but like i said, you would laugh at someone in a honda civic and call him a "ricer", so in that sense... why is it any different for you or me?
it does sound good letting the exhaust gurgle when coming to a stop.. but........ well ive stated this twice already.. you get my point.
if you want something different.. get a cutout... it will get that "rumble" effect when slowing down..
07-21-2009, 11:23 PM
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Holding 3rd at the traps to keep the ever so fragile 4l60 from going into 4th at WOT isnt stupid. Doing a 2nd gear burnout in the waterbox to avoid the 1-2 shift during the burnout isn't stupid. And also, as stated by someone previously, holding 1st while launching bc the slightest lift with a stall puts you in second too early isnt that bad, but is a band-aid to an obvious traction problem. Those specific instances aside...well my point was made in previous posts.