List of mods Iam adding to my 4L60E!
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Staging Lane
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From: Bedford, TX
List of mods Iam adding to my 4L60E! In June I burned up the 3-4 clutches, broke the input planets and ring gear, broke the input sun gear in half. Last week I installed a tranny and SSF 3800 and got 20 miles out of it before the 3-4 burned up. I bought the tranny used out of 2000 Z that was totaled, car showed a little 0ver 40,000 miles so I thought the tranny would at least give me another year or so of use sense my stock tranny lasted just over 3 years with my mods. I just finished taking a tranny rebuild class and I have the service manual and repair video for the 4L60E and I have rebuilt trannys before so I am going to attempt this myself in the next few weeks. Here is a list of parts that I have in the trans and what I am using for the rebuild.
In the trans now
Trans-Go shift kit
Billet Super Servo
Billet overdrive servo
PWM powervalve (helps lockup of high stall convertors and limit code PO1870)
3-2 check valve (shorter 2-3 shifts, proper 3-4 clutch release on 3-2 downshift)
Trans-Go HD seperator plate
Going in during rebuild
full Alto Red Eagle clutches and Kolene steels
Alto Kevlar band
29 element Borg-Warner dual cage sprag
"The Beast" reaction shell
Trans-Go 3-4 release spring
My car is only going to make around 375-380 rwhp when I add the LT and LS6 intake after Christmas so I think this tranny combo will live for awhile. I hope!!!
In the trans now
Trans-Go shift kit
Billet Super Servo
Billet overdrive servo
PWM powervalve (helps lockup of high stall convertors and limit code PO1870)
3-2 check valve (shorter 2-3 shifts, proper 3-4 clutch release on 3-2 downshift)
Trans-Go HD seperator plate
Going in during rebuild
full Alto Red Eagle clutches and Kolene steels
Alto Kevlar band
29 element Borg-Warner dual cage sprag
"The Beast" reaction shell
Trans-Go 3-4 release spring
My car is only going to make around 375-380 rwhp when I add the LT and LS6 intake after Christmas so I think this tranny combo will live for awhile. I hope!!!
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Sounds like a nice setup!
IMO the Raybestos Blue Plates are a better 3/4, and the Raybestos band is superior also. This comes from a friend that has experimented with them all, and swears by the Raybestos stuff. I've heard from many others the same thing also. Even PATC recomends the Raybestos frictions over Alto's, and they sell both!
In theory, the Alto's with 9 plates SHOULD have better holding power, and that may be true. But what they may make in holding power they seem to loose in apply time. With 9 plates to engage, there is a lot of fluid to be displaced between the plates, the mass is heavier, and they tend to slip more before engagement. Same with the band. The wider band may seem to offer more friction, but it's very difficult to disperse ATF from between the band and drum.
Having said that, many people have had good luck with the Alto's, but I'm just sharing my opinion. Might want to ask around first before ordering the parts
IMO the Raybestos Blue Plates are a better 3/4, and the Raybestos band is superior also. This comes from a friend that has experimented with them all, and swears by the Raybestos stuff. I've heard from many others the same thing also. Even PATC recomends the Raybestos frictions over Alto's, and they sell both!
In theory, the Alto's with 9 plates SHOULD have better holding power, and that may be true. But what they may make in holding power they seem to loose in apply time. With 9 plates to engage, there is a lot of fluid to be displaced between the plates, the mass is heavier, and they tend to slip more before engagement. Same with the band. The wider band may seem to offer more friction, but it's very difficult to disperse ATF from between the band and drum.
Having said that, many people have had good luck with the Alto's, but I'm just sharing my opinion. Might want to ask around first before ordering the parts
FWIW, my g/f snapped the Raybestos Kevlar band 
I'm going to assume it was a bad band, because it tore straight across the rivets. We replaced it with a regular ol' Borg Warner "High Energy" band, and it's happy as can be. Grabs just as hard as the kevlar, and not as harsh on part throttle engagement.
I'm going to assume it was a bad band, because it tore straight across the rivets. We replaced it with a regular ol' Borg Warner "High Energy" band, and it's happy as can be. Grabs just as hard as the kevlar, and not as harsh on part throttle engagement. Is there a 9 clutch Blue plate setup? I just went through the 6 clutch blue plate special setup in 1150 miles and about 10 passes. 3rd and 4th are now slipping. I do have 425 rwhp but I need something that will hold up. Im gonna try the full Alto Red Eagle clutches and Kolene steels this time unless someone has a better idea.
Any ideas or insight would be greatly appriciated
Any ideas or insight would be greatly appriciated
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Originally Posted by offaxis
Is there a 9 clutch Blue plate setup? I just went through the 6 clutch blue plate special setup in 1150 miles and about 10 passes. 3rd and 4th are now slipping. I do have 425 rwhp but I need something that will hold up. Im gonna try the full Alto Red Eagle clutches and Kolene steels this time unless someone has a better idea.
Any ideas or insight would be greatly appriciated
Any ideas or insight would be greatly appriciated
If you destroyed the 3/4's in 1150 miles with 425RWHP, something else was wrong. Crossleak, timing problem, release problem, fluid restriction, incorrect freeplay, incorrect break in, etc.
All the hi-po parts in the world can't fix other problems. I'd look into the root cause of the premature 3/4 failure before fixing it, or it will just happen again.
Just my $0.02
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Staging Lane
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From: Bedford, TX
I was going to use the blue plates, but i heard that they tend to glaze over under everyday street use, I do like the fact that 5 blue plates in the 3-4 clutch pack still has almost twice the holding power of the stock 3-4, but my car is mostly a daily driver and I don't want to make 3-4 clutch changes every year. just my .02 and from what I have heard from guys using blue plates on the street.
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Yeah I've read that too about the Blue Plates, I think Colonel mentioned it the other day in fact. That's the first I believe I've ever heard that though. I do know a lot of people with great success on Blue Plates.
I guess it all depends on your definition of "street driving"
I guess it all depends on your definition of "street driving"
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Originally Posted by Pete2k_Z28
If you destroyed the 3/4's in 1150 miles with 425RWHP, something else was wrong. Crossleak, timing problem, release problem, fluid restriction, incorrect freeplay, incorrect break in, etc.
All the hi-po parts in the world can't fix other problems. I'd look into the root cause of the premature 3/4 failure before fixing it, or it will just happen again.
Just my $0.02
All the hi-po parts in the world can't fix other problems. I'd look into the root cause of the premature 3/4 failure before fixing it, or it will just happen again.
Just my $0.02
Last edited by offaxis; Nov 23, 2003 at 04:18 PM.
