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Old 12-23-2009, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FASTEDDIE Z
No thanks , I dont drink and drive .
Just kidding ! got to keep it cool
O my, a jokester on our hands!


Congrats on the purchase, you will love it.
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I love the B+M plate cooler thats 11x11x1.5. It keeps the trans in check big time, even with a big stall.
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For the record, I drove a SS4000 untuned for months and it didn't hit the rev limiter at all. And also for the record, SS4000 is an extremely streetable converter for a stock cammed car. I started with a 3500 and the streetability was identical between the two. All the gains were at WOT. Shift extension was 4900 with stock shift points.
Old 12-23-2009, 07:48 PM
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3.73 / 4000 dd here. used to have a 3200 and driving wise they arent that much different. when i rape on it, well thats a totally different story.
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If I would have kept my car NA I wouldn't be scared to drive a 5200 converter after driving my 4000 FTI converter. That's what I was going to do until I got bitten by the turbo bug.
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
I wouldnt call any 4K stall stock driveability. Its just a small compromise for what you get in return.
My car is driven every single day with the PT4000 and drives as smooth or smoother than stock at part throttle and screams at WOT. My wife even takes it to the grocery store and doctor's appointments; she normally drives a Ford Freestyle. Yes, I have tuned it to death with HPT but many of the key settings can be made with a used $100 handheld or a mail order tune.

Originally Posted by Aaron91RS
you can take a bone stock car with a stock cam, 2.73's put a stall in and run 11.9? That's amazing since the fastest stock ls1 car ever went was 12.9 and most run 13.6.
So a stall will take a full second off? Then why are all the people on here only saying a stall is good for .2-.5 seconds.
I'm speaking from my experiences, not what "all the people on here are saying" and my car dropped 1.0514 seconds in the 1/4 and gained 4.54 mph.

Originally Posted by Aaron91RS
You know what screw it. Listen to all these people who can't read what you wrote and base their opinions on things that aren't.
Put a 4000 stall in on a stock cammed, untuned car.
Watch as it roasts the tires off the line not moving, finally starts to go a bit, then the cam peter's out until it shifts only to have it bounce off the rev limiter each time.
Yeah you'll be faster
Maybe not dumb, just ignorant of facts. Street tires have gone 1.5s in the 60 ft with STREET radials NOT drag radials. This was not on a built suspension either IIRC, just a factory freak with a TC, launching in 2nd gear.
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Originally Posted by LS1 Sounds
My car is driven every single day with the PT4000 and drives as smooth or smoother than stock at part throttle and screams at WOT. My wife even takes it to the grocery store and doctor's appointments; she normally drives a Ford Freestyle. Yes, I have tuned it to death with HPT but many of the key settings can be made with a used $100 handheld or a mail order tune.
What rpm do you see at part throttle cruising? Specifically thats what I was refering to as non-stock driveability. I also have a loud exhaust so its no hiding the big converter. But going strickly by feel and not by sound, yes it will drive just like stock with just more throttle input needed to attain the same speed. Once your right foot gets "calibrated" it feels stockish.

Originally Posted by LS1 Sounds
Maybe not dumb, just ignorant of facts. Street tires have gone 1.5s in the 60 ft with STREET radials NOT drag radials. This was not on a built suspension either IIRC, just a factory freak with a TC, launching in 2nd gear.
Have you ever done this? I considered trying it to see how it would react, more so out of curiosity.
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Originally Posted by LS1 Sounds
Street tires have gone 1.5s in the 60 ft with STREET radials NOT drag radials.
I would like to hear the exact details of this...that is hard to believe with Street Radials. I would be thrilled if I could get remotely close to that. How wide were the tires...was the converter loaded...details, details .
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Originally Posted by LS1 Sounds
This was not on a built suspension either IIRC, just a factory freak with a TC, launching in 2nd gear.
Even with the shifter selected in 2nd gear at the launch, with an automatic, means you are still leaving in 1st gear (lowest gear ratio)???...
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Originally Posted by Paul57
Even with the shifter selected in 2nd gear at the launch, with an automatic, means you are still leaving in 1st gear (lowest gear ratio)???...
No it doesn't. If your selector is at 2 then you start in 2nd and end in.........2nd
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I've gone 1.78 60ft on Sumitomo HTRZ 255/45r17 tires with 400rwhp through a TH400. It was 420rwhp through the old 6 speed.
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
No it doesn't. If your selector is at 2 then you start in 2nd and end in.........2nd
IIRC it depends on the year of the car.
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okay whats better a lock up or non lock up which will perform better
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If you have a track only car, there is no need for a lock-up. It is just extra weight. If you have a street car and would like to achieve the best possible MPGs from your set-up then you want a lock-up. I believe this applies to most performance applications but I am not an expert.

There are some applications where the car will be quicker by locking up the converter while racing (1/4 mile). From a few posts I have seen on here, it sounds like it is not too common to improve your times when locking up...plus you should have a "performance" set-up for the lock-up disc.
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
No it doesn't. If your selector is at 2 then you start in 2nd and end in.........2nd
I have never heard of this.
What year(s) and vehicles (tranny's) do this.
Sorry, I have been out of the performance loop for a while.
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Originally Posted by Paul57
I have never heard of this.
What year(s) and vehicles (tranny's) do this.
Sorry, I have been out of the performance loop for a while.
my 02' is that way, pull it down into 2nd at a light and it takes off in 2nd gear. I like it alot for daily driving, since 1st gear is so short with 3.73's.
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Originally Posted by Paul57
I have never heard of this.
What year(s) and vehicles (tranny's) do this.
Sorry, I have been out of the performance loop for a while.
mine does it.....
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I love my 4k stall, it drives great on the street and works awesome at the track. So far my best 60' has been 1.49 on 275/40/17 MT drag radials.
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Originally Posted by redbird555
I will be going yank as they have the higher str and Im sure ill like the tight feel.
This seems like a good choice for a "mostly" street car.
As for a bigger stall...if you plan on significant upgrades (220+ cam, etc) in the future then you would be saving money by going with the larger stall now.
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
What rpm do you see at part throttle cruising? Specifically thats what I was refering to as non-stock driveability. I also have a loud exhaust so its no hiding the big converter. But going strickly by feel and not by sound, yes it will drive just like stock with just more throttle input needed to attain the same speed. Once your right foot gets "calibrated" it feels stockish.

Have you ever done this? I considered trying it to see how it would react, more so out of curiosity.
Leaving a light with traffic it sits around 2500, if I want to pull away from traffic slightly it's around 3000. It just sits there at that RPM and shifts until I let off the gas, then the converter locks and drives like stock. My wife's Freestyle has a CVT trans, and it behaves almost exactly the same way at part throttle. I have a semi-quiet exhaust with the Kooks LT+ORY and SLP DD catback. I will try to get some video over Christmas weekend.

I haven't had street radials on this car since installing the converter, but my 1998 went 1.82 with a Vig 2800, lid, 3.23s, and a dead hook. I have no doubt that more converter would have netted a better 60 ft, but I never replaced it before selling the car. This was on Pirelli P7000 all season tires.

Originally Posted by Paul57
I would like to hear the exact details of this...that is hard to believe with Street Radials. I would be thrilled if I could get remotely close to that. How wide were the tires...was the converter loaded...details, details .
Here you go, they were 245 street tires and he posted a video: https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...res-video.html

Originally Posted by lemons12
IIRC it depends on the year of the car.
Correct, but I can't remember which years have which behavior. My 2002 holds 2nd with the selector in 2nd, but my 1998 didn't and started in 1st with the selector in 2nd.

Originally Posted by A20SVT00
okay whats better a lock up or non lock up which will perform better
Most street cars want a lockup TC, drag cars usually don't need/want it.


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