Hitting revlimiter and not shifting
Hitting revlimiter and not shifting My buddy has a automatic 2002 ss camaro and the car downshifts fine but when it revs the rev limiter will hit a couple of times and then it will shift.
Is the a possible torque converter prefailure?
Is the a possible torque converter prefailure?
The car is completly stock. I dont know exactly what gear ration it. It has 124000 miles on it. Is there anything that can be done to help keep this car going for a while or will it fail soon?
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You might be able to get a bit more life out of the trans by installing a bigger boost valve and stiffer pressure regulator spring to increase your line pressure. Here is one:
http://www.sonnax.com/system/announc...8E-K-COMBO.pdf
(Sorry cannot find the part # for the stiffer pressure regulator spring.)
The Sonnax "Servo Release Check Valve" might help too:
http://www.sonnax.com/system/announcement/77701-076.pdf
Installing this part does require removing the valve body to drill the separator's plate 3rd gear feed hole much larger (to .120), which might help too.
Depending upon how much the 3/4 clutches have worn, all this might be too late, but these are excellent parts to have in the trans when it is rebuilt.
http://www.sonnax.com/system/announc...8E-K-COMBO.pdf
(Sorry cannot find the part # for the stiffer pressure regulator spring.)
The Sonnax "Servo Release Check Valve" might help too:
http://www.sonnax.com/system/announcement/77701-076.pdf
Installing this part does require removing the valve body to drill the separator's plate 3rd gear feed hole much larger (to .120), which might help too.
Depending upon how much the 3/4 clutches have worn, all this might be too late, but these are excellent parts to have in the trans when it is rebuilt.
You might be able to get a bit more life out of the trans by installing a bigger boost valve and stiffer pressure regulator spring to increase your line pressure. Here is one:
http://www.sonnax.com/system/announc...8E-K-COMBO.pdf
(Sorry cannot find the part # for the stiffer pressure regulator spring.)
The Sonnax "Servo Release Check Valve" might help too:
http://www.sonnax.com/system/announcement/77701-076.pdf
Installing this part does require removing the valve body to drill the separator's plate 3rd gear feed hole much larger (to .120), which might help too.
Depending upon how much the 3/4 clutches have worn, all this might be too late, but these are excellent parts to have in the trans when it is rebuilt.
http://www.sonnax.com/system/announc...8E-K-COMBO.pdf
(Sorry cannot find the part # for the stiffer pressure regulator spring.)
The Sonnax "Servo Release Check Valve" might help too:
http://www.sonnax.com/system/announcement/77701-076.pdf
Installing this part does require removing the valve body to drill the separator's plate 3rd gear feed hole much larger (to .120), which might help too.
Depending upon how much the 3/4 clutches have worn, all this might be too late, but these are excellent parts to have in the trans when it is rebuilt.
thanks for the info.
I rode with him yesterday he stopped at a stop sign then did a little roll out then stomp the throttle. so it did it from 1 to 2nd and he didnt allow it to shift into 3rd. Any opinions?
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Mines was doing this , a rebuild did not fix it either , when I give it a wide open throttle I had to let off it a little when it gets to 5500rpm in order for it to shift , but when I put in my new tranny I didn't have that problem any more.
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Verdad Gallardo Don't get a REBUILD , you will still have the same problem , they (Transmission Shop Kenny's Baton Rouge ) told me the problem that was causing these issues was in the hard parts not the rebuild parts
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Something is slipping so that the engine hits the rev limiter before the car hits the programmed upshift MPH.
The converter could be slipping.
If shifting 1-2, the band could be slipping. (OK the reverse drum could be worn, but a "quality" rebuild replaces that.)
If shifting 2-3, then the 3/4 clutches are almost certainly worn.
Obviously the trans will now or soon need a rebuild. My previous suggestion was to increase line pressure to reduce the slipping so that you can get a bit more life out of it.
^^ Wow ! only here to help , not debate , I'm only telling what happen to mines , NEVER SAID this would happen to his or yours , when I swapped out transmission mines stop doing this .
I had a 90RS with a 700r4 that did this. I'm not sure if te 4L60E has a tv cable (I'm assuming it does), but if that thing gets out of spec a bit you'll have that exact same problem. Mine even didn't want to downshift sometimes.
Btw tv = throttle valve. On my RS it ran from the TB (was connected right by the cable that runs to the gas pedal) to the side of the transmission.
Btw tv = throttle valve. On my RS it ran from the TB (was connected right by the cable that runs to the gas pedal) to the side of the transmission.
look before you start spending tons of money on the expensive stuff, replace your shift control solenoids. the symptoms you described are age old symptoms of them going bad.
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You said a trans shop told you something - that is what I was debating.
MrMixnMatch - No, a 4L60E does NOT have a TV cable.
Zombiesoldier - Intermittent shift problems certainly are a symptom of bad solenoids. This was not reported as intermittent. However, I agree with you fully that replacing a few cheap parts, that fail regularly, is a good way to start solving problems and extending the life of a transmission.
On my truck it was doing it all the time. I replaced the shift control solenoid block and it 100% cured it. This was on a modified Powerstroke diesel though.. Apples to oranges I guess.
Oops, no offense intended. I never debate anyone on these forums.
You said a trans shop told you something - that is what I was debating.
MrMixnMatch - No, a 4L60E does NOT have a TV cable.
Zombiesoldier - Intermittent shift problems certainly are a symptom of bad solenoids. This was not reported as intermittent. However, I agree with you fully that replacing a few cheap parts, that fail regularly, is a good way to start solving problems and extending the life of a transmission.
You said a trans shop told you something - that is what I was debating.
MrMixnMatch - No, a 4L60E does NOT have a TV cable.
Zombiesoldier - Intermittent shift problems certainly are a symptom of bad solenoids. This was not reported as intermittent. However, I agree with you fully that replacing a few cheap parts, that fail regularly, is a good way to start solving problems and extending the life of a transmission.
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Given all of my previous experiences, sonnax boost valves come with recommended P/R spring. I think given the circumstances and the mileage on the vehicle, it may be wise to invest in a rebuild now as opposed to a less convenient time (stranded side of the road somewhere). As mrvedit has pointed out, there are some common wear items in the 4L60e and unfortunately they have been known to start going away around that mileage in stock format. The boost valve and check valve would be an investment that might buy you a little time, but it sounds to me like you are delaying what is inevitable at this point.
