Dynamic you are right its not a drag race car..
That don't mean it won't see the track now and then.
But its more of a street style stall is what I want.
For a street style cam such as the 228r.
Car is not a dd but I do drive it a lot.
I'm just more into fun on the street.

 

Call or PM one of the convertor sponsors on here and let them know what you have to work with and what you want to accomplish and I guarantee you they will have what your looking for and/or make suggestions to what you need.

 

I agree a 3600 stall would be fine for that cam. Hell a 3600 stall is good on a stock car. If you're not going to dive the car much a 4k would really wake it up but for street strip use 3600 is a good middle

 

A 228 is a great all around cam.. Not "small" but not "large" either. Perfect middle ground.

Why would you aim lower? A 228R with a 112-113 LSA cams "meat" will be much higher than 2000. If you got it with a 108-109 LSA I suppose it might start that low.
Those are higher revving cams than most think. A 228R on a 112 will need to at least spin to 6300.

You have GOT to be kidding me.. Show me ANY proof AT ALL that a stock cam will not run better with a 4000 than a 3200. LOL I won't hold my breath. I can show you 50 stock cam cars running 11s with 3600+ converters. How man stock cam cars can you show me running 11s with a 3200 or smaller?
You are literally the first person I have ever heard say that, ever. You need to go tell that to the stock internal guys that are hitting 10s. Hey, take out your 4400+ converter in favor of a 3000 and you would pick up time... That is a horrible match for a stock cam.

With comments like this, I'm glad you aren't my builder.
Driving around daily with a 3200 or a 3600 won't be noticed after a week of driving. What will be noticed is the 400RPM higher flash speed and the higher shift extensions. I would much rather the small trade off I will never noticed for a better performing converter that I will always notice. You literally can't tell a 3200 is in the car with a set of 373s.

You are wrong, just not about that one single thing. 2

Don't band aid it.. Fix it.

Go to a 3.73 gear and get a lower STR. Then your 3600 will feel like a 3200 but still perform like a 3600. All while not roasting the tires and still pulling efficiently up top.

Unless we start talking nitrous/FI builds... A 3200 will NEVER ever out perform a 4000, ever. If you can show me one single instance where a 3200 achieved a quicker ET than a 4000 I will change EVERYTHING I say about converters. Fact is, you won't.

My 226 cam setup performed better than the vast majority of other high 22X cam cars... One major reason was because I was 60' in the 1.50-1.52 range, because of my 4000 converter. Show me a 3200 converter with a high 22X cam matching that 60'.



I'm all for personal preference.. What I WILL NOT tolerate is someone posting that a 3200 is going to perform as good, less better, than a 3600-4000 converter. That is absolute ignorance.
I enjoy a tight converter depending on what the car is used for. However, I REALLY enjoy 3600-4000 converter, I think they are perfect. 4400+ is a bit loose for a street car though, I agree. A well built 4000 and 373s isn't a bad combo at all for a street car. 3600 is very common and for good reason. A lot of guys even wished they had went 4000 because the 3600 setup is so tame.

 

Probably shouldn't listen to me though.. I'm also one of the crazies that doesn't do gears in an auto car for ET reduction.

I'm a cuckoo bird!

 

Now you are being silly.
I always "listen" to your posts and try to learn from your knowledge and experience.

 

I try to share when I can. Sometimes I'm a little more "blunt" than I should be maybe... But we all got a little hair on our chest and drink beer... Yea? LOL

 

Im 50 years old and was stuck on the 80s turbo 350/400 converters mentality and knew how much a PITA the hi stalls were to drive around back then with 3 speeds. These 4l60/4l80 with lock-up is a totally different animal with the LS1. Technology has come a long way. I would do minimum 3600 in any LS car and I have a 4k in my 02 camaro and its great on the street and it hauls the mail. I had a 3200 and it picked it up for sure but couldn't tell it was in there after driving it for a week. The 4k you can tell its there and it pulls like crazy. I have 3.23 gears too.Totally different car. Do yourself a favor and do it once===I didnt listen to what i was reading on this site and did it twice--Hardheaded I guess. Do 3600/3800at least. The 4k is a blast to drive. A 3600 will pick up a bone stock LS1 car quite a bit. Guaranteed.

Lemons12 is CORRECT!!! Hate to say it but He is giving good advice above.

 

I'd do a 3600 for a DD. I have an FTI in mine I it's worked flawlessly

 

Imnin the same boat you are op. I've got my heads and a 228r sitting in a box waiting to be installed. After tons of research on here I went with the ss3600 and its amazing. The reason I went with it is because is because my car isn't a dd but I do drive it alot, but I wanted dd reliability and performance. So every mod I've chosen will give me the best performance without sacrificing too much drivability. The ss3600 is easy to drive and fun too. You will be used to driving it by the time you make it home from the shop. If you want a fast street car that is a blast to drive you might as well learn from everyone else's mistakes and go with a nice proven setup. That's what made my decision seeing dozens of 22X and ss3600 combos. Obviously if its that popular it must be doing something right. By the way I'm 29 and drive fast and really enjoy my 3600. I don't drag the car but if your close to my age and enjoy spirited driving buy one and don't look back.

 

well im 31 bpop I bought a circle d stall 3200 soon I hope to be getting the 228r cam..

 

I'd have to disagree. I'm running a 3600 with the 224r and Lloyd Elliot's stage 1 241 heads. Numbers and full setup in my sig. The car did go 11.3 on a smaller tire. If someone is willing to prove to me that I will run faster with less stall I'll be convinced. Right now its a nice street mannered car that works well at the track and makes some of the bigger cam guys around here look silly.

Plus on the dyno the car made power up to 5800 and I shift at 6200.

 

I had a CDS 3200 stall and a 227R on a 114lsa with 3.70 gears. BTW, I would recomend looking at any other lobe than the XER (which the 228 is) That lobe is nasty as hell and very hard on parts compared to newer lobes that make the same power.

Anyway, I ended up restalling to 3600. In short, my 3200 pushed pretty good and when youd put it in gear it would bang the gears pretty hard. With the 3.70s it felt tighter than stock.

After the restall (and a minimal cam change) it is basically like stock driving around (I never command lockup except in OD), until you hammer the throttle and then you feel a decent hit. I live on a steep hill and I do ride the stall quite a bit going up, but its not a big deal, right at 2krpm to run 20mph. In the future I will stall even higher for sure, but I do have a bit more gear than stock.

Since you have already bought the stall you could consider a tighter LSA on the cam, which I think would fit the stall better. But I think youll have a better overall package with a higher stall, ie use that free restall.

LOL on the age thing cause im getting up there, at least I feel like it. You guys could get a double disc and adjust lockup in the tune to make it really tame for normal driving, but still have a vicious hit. I may do that for my next stall.