Thinking about a stall advice please
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Thinking about a stall advice please ok so on my z28 im thinking about getting a stall and then later on a cam. ive thought about doing stall and exhaust now. that way i dont have to hack up the exhaust later on for the stall..
the cam im thinking about getting is the texas speed 228r.
it sounds great and seems to have great steet manners.
local guy has one but his car is an m6 ...
im also thinking about starting to run my car out at the track some.
and we only have an 8th mile here in abilene!!
the stall i want it to act well on the street because i drive it alot.
what about cricle d?? and what stall range should i be looking at for that size cam?
the cam im thinking about getting is the texas speed 228r.
it sounds great and seems to have great steet manners.
local guy has one but his car is an m6 ...
im also thinking about starting to run my car out at the track some.
and we only have an 8th mile here in abilene!!
the stall i want it to act well on the street because i drive it alot.
what about cricle d?? and what stall range should i be looking at for that size cam?
Id go with a 3600 stall.......Precision Industries, Circle D, Yank are all great converters. Just make sure you get a good trans cooler to go with the stall so you can keep your trans alive.
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You could get by with pretty much any company with those mods. Yank and CD are my vote for off the shelf, if you want a more custom spec'ed converter, FTI and PTC are more oriented that way, I'm sure CD could whip you up something too.
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ok thanks for the replys now here is another question in relation to the topic..
my plans if possible later on down the road is to have about 400 to 420hp.
i know it would need heads for this goal which is in my future also.
lot of people say the 4l60e is week and ive seen that they are.
what im wondering is i have a transmission out of a 2000 model truck.
will it even work concidering it has the tow haul mode in it???
ive concidered getting it re built to handle some hpand adding a stall.
if this trans would work
my plans if possible later on down the road is to have about 400 to 420hp.
i know it would need heads for this goal which is in my future also.
lot of people say the 4l60e is week and ive seen that they are.
what im wondering is i have a transmission out of a 2000 model truck.
will it even work concidering it has the tow haul mode in it???
ive concidered getting it re built to handle some hpand adding a stall.
if this trans would work
ok thanks for the replys now here is another question in relation to the topic..
my plans if possible later on down the road is to have about 400 to 420hp.
i know it would need heads for this goal which is in my future also.
lot of people say the 4l60e is week and ive seen that they are.
what im wondering is i have a transmission out of a 2000 model truck.
will it even work concidering it has the tow haul mode in it???
ive concidered getting it re built to handle some hpand adding a stall.
if this trans would work
my plans if possible later on down the road is to have about 400 to 420hp.
i know it would need heads for this goal which is in my future also.
lot of people say the 4l60e is week and ive seen that they are.
what im wondering is i have a transmission out of a 2000 model truck.
will it even work concidering it has the tow haul mode in it???
ive concidered getting it re built to handle some hpand adding a stall.
if this trans would work
The truck transmission should work, I think you need to change the shift linkage. The T/H is all in the tuning. Technically you can do it on a car, just need to add the switch.
Chris
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IMHO, 3600 is way too much for that camshaft. I'd stay in the 2800-3200 range with that one unless you plan on drag racing it all the time, in which case I'd go with a larger cam.
While I'm not a big proponent of a single pattern camshaft in the LS engines, that is a pretty decent cam for a daily driver with moderate modifications. I wouldn't want to wreck the package by over-stalling the converter.
While I'm not a big proponent of a single pattern camshaft in the LS engines, that is a pretty decent cam for a daily driver with moderate modifications. I wouldn't want to wreck the package by over-stalling the converter.
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IMHO, 3600 is way too much for that camshaft. I'd stay in the 2800-3200 range with that one unless you plan on drag racing it all the time, in which case I'd go with a larger cam.
While I'm not a big proponent of a single pattern camshaft in the LS engines, that is a pretty decent cam for a daily driver with moderate modifications. I wouldn't want to wreck the package by over-stalling the converter.
While I'm not a big proponent of a single pattern camshaft in the LS engines, that is a pretty decent cam for a daily driver with moderate modifications. I wouldn't want to wreck the package by over-stalling the converter.
OP 3600 is perfectly fine for a 228R setup.
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That converter is too loose for that camshaft. That's a relatively small cam that will make it's best power from about 2000-5000 rpm (or thereabouts). Why would you want to set your converter so high in the torque curve?
A 3600 will work, but you're leaving performance on the table...
A 3600 will work, but you're leaving performance on the table...
its not that small of a cam and it will pull well past 5000 rpm. Ive have numerous people tell me the 228r is perfect for my setup (3600 stall and 3.73s going in soon) and will have a nice power band and make power all the way to redline. Its not like hes going to be running a 4400 stall and low 220s cam.
IMHO, 3600 is way too much for that camshaft. I'd stay in the 2800-3200 range with that one unless you plan on drag racing it all the time, in which case I'd go with a larger cam.
While I'm not a big proponent of a single pattern camshaft in the LS engines, that is a pretty decent cam for a daily driver with moderate modifications. I wouldn't want to wreck the package by over-stalling the converter.
While I'm not a big proponent of a single pattern camshaft in the LS engines, that is a pretty decent cam for a daily driver with moderate modifications. I wouldn't want to wreck the package by over-stalling the converter.
A stock cam car would run better with a 4000 than a 3200.
I ran a 4000 PTC with my 226/228 .588 114. It ran about .2 and 2mph faster on average than other setups that were similar to mine.
Our cars love a big converter. The SMALLEST I would go if staying on motor in a 3400 and that would be ONLY if I was going to hose it with a 200 shot. If I was staying on a 100 shot or no spray, 3800-4000.
A 228R and a 3600 is an extremely common combo and has proven itself time and time again.
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A single pattern 228 is not that small of a camshaft...? Wow... Two different worlds we come from, I guess.
I never said it wouldn't pull past 5000, did I? I said the meat of its power will be in the 2000-5000 range. I would just aim quite a bit lower in that range with a converter.
If the guy wants to do nothing but drag race, then, yes, by all means...over-stall the thing. I, personally, don't even really like drag racing, so you guys can have it... But, I'm guessing that with that camshaft choice, it's more of a daily driver than a drag racer. There's very little that's more irritating than daily driving a car with too much converter. I was trying to prevent that for the OP.
But, to each his own...!
Oh, and no...a stock camshaft will not run better with a 4000 than a 3200... THAT is silly...
I never said it wouldn't pull past 5000, did I? I said the meat of its power will be in the 2000-5000 range. I would just aim quite a bit lower in that range with a converter.
If the guy wants to do nothing but drag race, then, yes, by all means...over-stall the thing. I, personally, don't even really like drag racing, so you guys can have it... But, I'm guessing that with that camshaft choice, it's more of a daily driver than a drag racer. There's very little that's more irritating than daily driving a car with too much converter. I was trying to prevent that for the OP.
But, to each his own...!
Oh, and no...a stock camshaft will not run better with a 4000 than a 3200... THAT is silly...
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Well, yes, I do own an LT1 (M6, though... LOL), but I build transmissions for all of them... It's what I do...
Listen... I'm not trying to be argumentative or controversial. I just like to see people enjoy their project when it's done. I can't tell you how many times I've put the converter in a car that the customer wanted, only to pull it back out in favor of the tighter converter that I recommended in the first place after they drove it around for a month or two.
If an engine has a camshaft that needs a very loose converter, or is building a car for a specific purpose (drag racing) that needs a very loose converter, then, by all means put it one in there! I sell them, too...! They have their purpose for sure... I just didn't get that impression from the OP. Maybe I'm wrong...
Listen... I'm not trying to be argumentative or controversial. I just like to see people enjoy their project when it's done. I can't tell you how many times I've put the converter in a car that the customer wanted, only to pull it back out in favor of the tighter converter that I recommended in the first place after they drove it around for a month or two.
If an engine has a camshaft that needs a very loose converter, or is building a car for a specific purpose (drag racing) that needs a very loose converter, then, by all means put it one in there! I sell them, too...! They have their purpose for sure... I just didn't get that impression from the OP. Maybe I'm wrong...
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I currently have a 231/239 cam and have run 2400, 3200 and 3600 stalls from TCI and Yank. I have a 3.41 rear. In the future I will order a low-STR 3200 because I find the 3600 a bit too high for city driving.
I think it depends a bit on your age - as you "mature" you want a more civilized car and that means a lower stall. I'm 58 (and I think Dynamic386 is close to that) and we are therefore inclined to more civilized characteristics.
What Dynamic396 is saying is that you want the stall speed well below the max torque of the engine so that you run in the "meat" of the torque curve and not beyond it. If all you want is the lowest 60ft time, then get a crazy high stall speed with a high STR, but at the end of the 60ft you will soon be shifting into 2nd gear because you missed the "meat".
IMHO, I think some people go from a stock converter to e.g. a 4000 and think its the best improvement ever. Yes it is, but a 3200 or 3600 might have been even better and given a quicker ET (if that is even important).
Mostly, it comes down to personal preferences, especially with street driving. Track- only cars have even hotter cams and therefore 4000+ stalls will be fastest ET.
PS. I try to stay out of these hotly debated subjects, but I find few supporters of my more modest-stall inclinations. And I have no facts to support my preference.
I think it depends a bit on your age - as you "mature" you want a more civilized car and that means a lower stall. I'm 58 (and I think Dynamic386 is close to that) and we are therefore inclined to more civilized characteristics.
What Dynamic396 is saying is that you want the stall speed well below the max torque of the engine so that you run in the "meat" of the torque curve and not beyond it. If all you want is the lowest 60ft time, then get a crazy high stall speed with a high STR, but at the end of the 60ft you will soon be shifting into 2nd gear because you missed the "meat".
IMHO, I think some people go from a stock converter to e.g. a 4000 and think its the best improvement ever. Yes it is, but a 3200 or 3600 might have been even better and given a quicker ET (if that is even important).
Mostly, it comes down to personal preferences, especially with street driving. Track- only cars have even hotter cams and therefore 4000+ stalls will be fastest ET.
PS. I try to stay out of these hotly debated subjects, but I find few supporters of my more modest-stall inclinations. And I have no facts to support my preference.
Refer to Sig, If I had it back I would've went with even more stall than that