Been running the same 4L60E in one of my cars for 10 years now with no TM and no failures.
Never had a 0% tm related failure in anything.

You need to grow the **** up and realize that you're not going to change people.
And your experiences are going to differ from the next guy.

 

Pot meet kettle....than quit trying to prove how terrible TM is and realize that other people do use it and it does work for them. Hypocrite.

 

If I'm trying to shove 700 horse through a 60e...I'm not going to be mad if a customer leave torque management on. Even if it's a brand new build.

Just saying

sounds like OP has the answer to his question and the rest of us talking isn't really helping anything
I think the best way to end this thread is "to each their own"

 

On some stock ****, yea. but lets put that trans in my car and disable the TM and i'll put money on it that i can shred it in less than 25 miles. it would live much longer with TM on.

btw, I tried with and without TM at the track and it didnt even make a .10 difference.

 

Yea, I was thinking that. who cares what the next guy does. As long as it works for you, thats all that matters.

 

99% sure Jay or his family owns a transmission shop and/or sells rebuilt transmissions. no, that is not meant as an insult

Perhaps the point has been missed though...just in case
As I mentioned : Goal: put 100% of the power to the ground while in gear but drastically reduce the power while the transmission is in the process of shifting - interested in fast shifts (don't care what they "feel" like)

On one hand I totally agree TM does suck while the truck is in gear, I don't want the computer pulling power while its in gear but I on the other I do not have a built trans that can handle full power shifts so the idea is to have my cake and eat it to, the idea is to remove TM unless the trans is in the process of shifting - when its actually shifting I want basically no power applied. I'm fine with that.

I've installed 5 or 6 shift kits in various TH350 and TH400 trans and I absolutely loved the rock hard shifts and chirping tires when they shifted but if I buy a built trans it wont be a 65e for a 4 wheel drive truck it will be an 80e and it'll go into my swapped S10

Anyway the point is, the goal is - completely remove TM for the engine and only use the very specific part of TM that is active during the shifts, separate the two things completely and only apply TM for the shifts

 

This is how the stock tuning is setup.
There isn't any power being pulled while you're in a gear...just during a shift.

Timing is yanked out to kill torque...the trans shifts...then timing is shoved right back in

This is super simple, not sure why its being overcomplicated

 

What I've done has worked for me. What's so difficult to understand.... And thats without tm.

 

Nope, not related to anyone. I don't even know anyone who builds or sells transmissions.

I build my own for my stuff and it works.
And I hate torque management.
Thats my point. Not sure why other people are so upset. I guess they read contradicting information and just can't live with it.

 

So you're saying that the settings below only apply while the trans is actually shifting and not while in gear?

Engine, Torque Management, General:

Maximum Torque
RPM vs. Gear -
vs. RPM -

Max Torque
Max Torque -
Tip In Torque -
Trans Input Max -
Trans Output Max -
Front Axle Max
Front Propshaft Max
Rear Axle Max
Rear Propshaft Max

ETC Limits
ETC TPS Max

based on the research I've done so far the trans torque management - torque reduction setting is a % of the engines Spark Retard
vs. Torque Reduction setting and the other engine TM settings actually applies while its in gear and its meant to reduce the stress on the drive train while in gear..

 

You would benefit from reading the sticky that I wrote about how to actually use TM to your advantage. No reading the internet or theorizing....real world results that work.

 

I read it and it agrees with what I thought other then the terms used in it (since its EFI not HP terms) right?

In HP tuners there are clearly TM settings that don't apply while shifting, torque reduction VS gear for example, that's the amount of TM while in each gear and each gear has a separate value for max allowed torque, its not 1to2 / 2to3 / 3to4 it is 1st, 2nd, 3rd so unless it just reads in a confusing way then it is torque reduced while in gear

Can't we both be right lol

 

You don't need to reduce torque while in gear....only adjust those tables that relate to torque DURING the shift.

 

there is a trans section of torque management
and an engine section of torque management

the trans section only affects during shifts...if you looked in the software you would see that
The engine section is for electronic throttle vehicles only

Just read the tables in the tune and you'll see

The trans section torque management will limit torque during the shift by varying timing.
The engine section will control more...typically it only limits max torque per gear and it's very easy to see that and tune accordingly

Go read the sticky again...I don't care if you've read it already because it seems as if there was a lack of comprehension.
Read it again...leave the trans TM alone...tune out the engine TM...enjoy your result.
Making a mountain out of a mole hill here

 

Just a reminder, this is what the thread is about.

Deleting TM on this isn't going to shred the trans.

 

i agree. Unless the trans has over 130k miles on it and hasn’t been cared for. Or heck, even if it has. In my experience, 130k is a failure point a lot of times. Not always. I was just talking to a guy today that has 211k miles on his. He wanted a tune, bone stock 2007 Silverado. I told him I’m not tuning it until the trans is rebuilt, because if I turn the tm down and add some timing, that’s it. And I speak from recent 100% experience. I did a tune for a guy with a high mileage 2004 Silverado. I turned the TM down a bit. Not off. But down. Added some ignition timing. Less than three weeks later I had to rebuild the trans. Wasn’t my fault and I didn’t eat it it thankfully. I had done the same tune for two buddies of his that are still going, he just had a junkyard unit with unknown mileage. If it would have stayed neutered, it would still be slushing along I’m sure.