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Old Jan 24, 2020 | 07:03 AM
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So i have just realized I may have have made a big mistake in my build,

When I bought my LQ4 engine from a breakers yard they through in 4L80e to go with it and I sent it off to be rebuilt and have a special output shaft fitted, I have now got it back from the transmission shop and have just realized that it is an early (1994) and not the later type which was meant to go with my 1999 LQ4. I am going to be OK using this with an LQ4 or am I going to have to change it? I have already put a lot of money into this transmission and don't really want to have to swap it if i don't have to?

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Im not sure with the 4l80e but I know the 4l60e older versions will not work with the Ls style PCM unless something has changed.
It will bolt up but im not sure if the PCM will control it.
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Thanks for the response, do you know what on the PCM is different? I am guessing it has something to do with the park neutral switch that goes on the selector shaft as this early unit has a shorter shaft that won't reach through the switch?
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Thanks for the response, do you know what on the PCM is different? I am guessing it has something to do with the park neutral switch that goes on the selector shaft as this early unit has a shorter shaft that won't reach through the switch?
I did a quick google search but couldn't find any solid info on the 4l80E Plug/harness differences if there even are any. Im sure its there if you search or someone will reply that knows.
but im also curious now because I plan to do a 4L80e in the future!
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Pretty sure it should work, I have a '96 80e behind my '01 4.8 and it runs, drives, and shifts fine being controlled by the stock 4.8 pcm.
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Did some searching around and I can get a later style Shift Selector Shaft, so i can fit the park neutral switch, other than that it looks electrically the same, so hopefully it should work.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-4L80E...gAAOSwUyBbRhmd
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Originally Posted by alowerlevel
Pretty sure it should work, I have a '96 80e behind my '01 4.8 and it runs, drives, and shifts fine being controlled by the stock 4.8 pcm.
Thats good to hear, what did you do about the park neutral switch?
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Originally Posted by syncmaster710n14
Hi,
So i have just realized I may have have made a big mistake in my build,

When I bought my LQ4 engine from a breakers yard they through in 4L80e to go with it and I sent it off to be rebuilt and have a special output shaft fitted, I have now got it back from the transmission shop and have just realized that it is an early (1994) and not the later type which was meant to go with my 1999 LQ4. I am going to be OK using this with an LQ4 or am I going to have to change it? I have already put a lot of money into this transmission and don't really want to have to swap it if i don't have to?

Thanks

Sam
Will it bolt up? Yea, it has the same transmission to engine mating area as a turbo 400 from 1966 (yes 1966) to the end of production, same with every th350, 700R4, etc. It just needs the right adapter and flexplate.

Originally Posted by syncmaster710n14
Thanks for the response, do you know what on the PCM is different? I am guessing it has something to do with the park neutral switch that goes on the selector shaft as this early unit has a shorter shaft that won't reach through the switch?
There are no bolt holes to mount the switch to so don't worry too much about the selector shaft length. Keep the short one.

The PCM wants to see a park and neutral signal from that switch, and the body side (has nothing to do with the PCM) needs a reverse light switch. Usually aftermarket shifters have switches to be used for this.
The PCM programming should be changed to expect only a park/neutral signal. Can you skip all this? Sure, it will just idle weird for a few seconds when going from park to a gear and it'll idle off the main spark table instead of the 'in park' table.

The electrical should plug right in. There shouldn't be a rebuilt 4L80E with the old style connector in existence these days, but you never know I guess. I don't think the '94 ever had the old style anyway.
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Originally Posted by Jays_SSZ28
Will it bolt up? Yea, it has the same transmission to engine mating area as a turbo 400 from 1966 (yes 1966) to the end of production, same with every th350, 700R4, etc. It just needs the right adapter and flexplate.



There are no bolt holes to mount the switch to so don't worry too much about the selector shaft length. Keep the short one.

The PCM wants to see a park and neutral signal from that switch, and the body side (has nothing to do with the PCM) needs a reverse light switch. Usually aftermarket shifters have switches to be used for this.
The PCM programming should be changed to expect only a park/neutral signal. Can you skip all this? Sure, it will just idle weird for a few seconds when going from park to a gear and it'll idle off the main spark table instead of the 'in park' table.

The electrical should plug right in. There shouldn't be a rebuilt 4L80E with the old style connector in existence these days, but you never know I guess. I don't think the '94 ever had the old style anyway.
Thanks for the reply, thats good to know. I have been having a look this morning and it looks like it will bolt straight up to the LQ4 like you say and the wiring connector fits fine. There is 2 bolt holes for the switch so might be able to fit it after all (although there a different size to bolts provided with the switch).
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Awesome info!
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Originally Posted by alowerlevel
Pretty sure it should work, I have a '96 80e behind my '01 4.8 and it runs, drives, and shifts fine being controlled by the stock 4.8 pcm.
Did you have have to change the connector on the trans?
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