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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 05:18 PM
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I guess I personally don't understand why after breaking a 60/65/70 whatever, why someone continues to throw good money after bad at building one, when a 80e swap is so easy. The 80 is a more simple, robust transmission, and doesn't require a yearly or bi-yearly rebuild if your running 600 hp through it. I am not a professional, but I've been inside both, it's clear to me how and why the 80 is superior in strength.
I know to each their own, but that's like trying to make 1000hp with a 1.8, and expecting it to live for years and 100,000 miles.
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 05:27 PM
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I guess I personally don't understand why after breaking a 60/65/70 whatever, why someone continues to throw good money after bad at building one, when a 80e swap is so easy. The 80 is a more simple, robust transmission, and doesn't require a yearly or bi-yearly rebuild if your running 600 hp through it. I am not a professional, but I've been inside both, it's clear to me how and why the 80 is superior in strength.
I know to each their own, but that's like trying to make 1000hp with a 1.8, and expecting it to live for years and 100,000 miles.
its not “just and easy swap”. When I was building my turbo car everyone was quick to recommend doing it but when I had questions about it, all I heard was crickets. Then add in a grand for a driveshaft, $1200 for a converter, then about $800 in parts to rebuild it stock. I’m building one right now for someone. So I know firsthand.
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 05:45 PM
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While I agree that a purpose built 4L60E for a 1,000 HP Engine, is not a great idea...
I do admit that I enjoy modifying things in order to handle more power.
I feel that this type of enjoyment, is part of what has brought about the Parts that we now have readily available.

Going back to the 4L80E...
700 - 750 HP is where I like to transition over from a 4L60E to a 4L80E.
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 06:11 PM
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I have got a Free set of 5-Pinion Planets...
for whoever guesses the correct Transmission and Power Level of the 3-Pinion Planets in my Images!
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by vorteciroc
I have got a Free set of 5-Pinion Planets...
for whoever guesses the correct Transmission and Power Level of the 3-Pinion Planets in my Images!

what images?
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by vorteciroc
While I agree that a purpose built 4L60E for a 1,000 HP Engine, is not a great idea...
I do admit that I enjoy modifying things in order to handle more power.
I feel that this type of enjoyment, is part of what has brought about the Parts that we now have readily available.

Going back to the 4L80E...
700 - 750 HP is where I like to transition over from a 4L60E to a 4L80E.

I agree. This truck that I built the trans for shouldn’t have no more than 700-750hp. It’s a 5.3 with a 7875. I don’t like the design of the 4l80 so far. Over complicated for nothing. It’s not simpler than a 60e that’s for sure.
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by vorteciroc
I have got a Free set of 5-Pinion Planets...
for whoever guesses the correct Transmission and Power Level of the 3-Pinion Planets in my Images!
Snowmobile transmission
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
what images?
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Old Nov 15, 2021 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rpturbo
I guess I personally don't understand why after breaking a 60/65/70 whatever, why someone continues to throw good money after bad at building one, when a 80e swap is so easy. The 80 is a more simple, robust transmission, and doesn't require a yearly or bi-yearly rebuild if your running 600 hp through it. I am not a professional, but I've been inside both, it's clear to me how and why the 80 is superior in strength.
I know to each their own, but that's like trying to make 1000hp with a 1.8, and expecting it to live for years and 100,000 miles.
Maybe you better update your signature, it's at least 5 years old. Also, this sub-forum has many members with other vehicles besides F-bodies. Tell me what you'd charge to build AND install a 4l80e in a GMT360/310 4WD/AWD platform with 8-inches ground clearance.
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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 98cayennet/a
snowmobile transmission
lmao!

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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by vorteciroc
I have got a Free set of 5-Pinion Planets...
for whoever guesses the correct Transmission and Power Level of the 3-Pinion Planets in my Images!
I won't ruin the fun for the rest of the class
but there should be a free set of 5 pinions sent my way...I need a paper weight for the office
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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 03:25 PM
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Come on!
Someone has got to want these Amazing 5-Pinion Planets!


They are the Shiznit compared to these wimpy 3-Pinion Gears!
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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by vorteciroc
Come on!
Someone has got to want these Amazing 5-Pinion Planets!


They are the Shiznit compared to these wimpy 3-Pinion Gears!
I’ll take it. A Lenco.
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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
I’ll take it. A Lenco.
You might be the Winner...

How many gears does a Lenco have?
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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by vorteciroc
You might be the Winner...

How many gears does a Lenco have?

lol trick question. Up to 5 or 6 I think. You add sections to it.
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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kfxguy
lol trick question. Up to 5 or 6 I think. You add sections to it.
= Yes, Trick question.

Two Speeds, up to Six Speeds.


I did not think anyone would have been able to search for the right answer from the Image of the Gear-Set.

You Win!
So would you like your 5-Pinion Planets... in 18 Pieces, or in 26 Pieces?
I do have a Pair of 4-Pinion Planets, that are only in 2 Pieces.

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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by vorteciroc
= Yes, Trick question.

Two Speeds, up to Six Speeds.


I did not think anyone would have been able to search for the right answer from the Image of the Gear-Set.

You Win!
So would you like your 5-Pinion Planets... in 18 Pieces, or in 26 Pieces?
I do have a Pair of 4-Pinion Planets, that are only in 2 Pieces.

first time I ever won anything and it was a trick. Lol. Just my luck!
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 10:05 PM
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So would you like your 5-Pinion Planets... in 18 Pieces, or in 26 Pieces? That made me laugh
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Old Nov 20, 2021 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MaroonMonsterLS1
KFX is a good contributor to the forum.
Some friendly back-and-forth is healthy for any forum.
plus it's fun to give each other **** every now and again haha

I know there's no hard feelings on my end!
He really is a good sport. I have given him **** numerous times for his seeming love of 4l60 transmissions. Personally, I would like to mod a 722.6 for LS motors, but that is one of my personality flaws.
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Old Dec 9, 2021 | 03:29 AM
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Would this mean there are more damaged 4l65's & 4l70's than 60's? How would you come to the conclusion it was caused by the poor design and not increased power used in the 65/70 vehicles?
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