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Old Jan 28, 2022 | 08:09 PM
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Is a tune worth the price of admission for a stock auto? I realize there probably isn’t much power to be had by tuning a stock motor, but is it worth while to play with the shift points etc? Or are the stock shift points and everything else trans & tune related set close enough to “optimum” for a stock motor to where it’s not worth messing with? Thanks. I “Googled” but I didn’t find much info on tuning a stock auto.
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Old Jan 29, 2022 | 06:05 AM
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My thoughts?? You are trading smooth shifting for harsher shifting. On a 4L60E, some would even say that you are moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. Why bother? It's gonna' fail soon anyway. I don't believe that with a 4L60E as long as you are sensible with it and don't run gobs of torque or power. Yea, I have kept mine stock behind a stock Gen 3 5.3 motor and I'm happy with it - my wife also does not complain about harsh shifting.

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Old Jan 29, 2022 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by B52bombardier1
My thoughts?? You are trading smooth shifting for harsher shifting. On a 4L60E, some would even say that you are moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. Why bother? It's gonna' fail soon anyway. I don't believe that with a 4L60E as long as you are sensible with it and don't run gobs of torque or power. Yea, I have kept mine stock behind a stock Gen 3 5.3 motor and I'm happy with it - my wife also does not complain about harsh shifting.

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It’s more so the RPM at which it shifts that I’m wondering about.
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Old Jan 29, 2022 | 08:49 AM
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If your engine is stock, there is not much if anything to be gained by changing shift points. Reducing torque management and up line pressure will give you a better shift feel, but don't remove all of the torque management.
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Old Jan 29, 2022 | 06:01 PM
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The stock shift points are already very close to the factory rev limiter, so you can't bump them much (maybe ~1mph/100rpm or so) without increasing the limiter. And I wouldn't recommend increasing the limiter without upgraded valve springs.
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Old Jan 29, 2022 | 07:56 PM
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Changing the shifting schedule for when to upshift and downshift is world's better than the stock tune.
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Old Jan 29, 2022 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Changing the shifting schedule for when to upshift and downshift is world's better than the stock tune.
Even with a stock engine and torque converter there is that big of a difference?
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Old Jan 30, 2022 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bbond105
Even with a stock engine and torque converter there is that big of a difference?
It's night and day on my GMC Sierra with only an intake. Even more important when modded but it makes the drive much more enjoyable if it's done right.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
It's night and day on my GMC Sierra with only an intake. Even more important when modded but it makes the drive much more enjoyable if it's done right.
I was thinking f-body was pretty close, but yeah, I can see where a truck could use some help.
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On my LS swaps with a 4L60E along with the chassis dyno tune I always have them go for a "road" test to dial in the shift points. Around my house there are a lot of 40 mph roads. I have the tuner delay the up shift to 4th and not lock the TC until 45 mph. Keeps from lugging the engine.
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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 09:03 AM
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A trans tune will do little to nothing regarding the life and health of the trans.
But it can make a night and day difference in the "feel" of the unit based on shift points and converter lock rpm etc.
Seat of the pants can be drastically improved.
Larger differences are noticed in pickups than in f bodies.
I've found the late (07+) units can be somewhat of a pain to get dialed in with tuning but they too can improve a bit
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Originally Posted by MaroonMonsterLS1
A trans tune will do little to nothing regarding the life and health of the trans.
But it can make a night and day difference in the "feel" of the unit based on shift points and converter lock rpm etc.
Seat of the pants can be drastically improved.
Larger differences are noticed in pickups than in f bodies.
I've found the late (07+) units can be somewhat of a pain to get dialed in with tuning but they too can improve a bit
The opposite is also true. A bad trans tune is a great way to kill a 4l60e fast lol. I've found torque management to work really well in keeping them alive.
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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 10:35 AM
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yes indeed
tq management is a very nice feature

and people that haven't ever raced before think that tq management slows you down

yet every fast drag racer you see on TV or at your local drag strip...is using it. They might not call it tq management. But they're using it
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Yup very true. Everyone defaults to zeroing it out and then wonders why their trans starts slipping. Meanwhile you can still have torque management and decrease shift times separately.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Yup very true. Everyone defaults to zeroing it out and then wonders why their trans starts slipping. Meanwhile you can still have torque management and decrease shift times separately.
Can you elaborate on this?
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Originally Posted by bbond105
Can you elaborate on this?
There is a completely separate set of tables in the tune for desired trans shift times. Torque reduction just pulls timing during the shift it doesn't delay the shift itself.
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tq management=the amount of timing pulled immediately before and during a shift.
shift times=estimated time to complete a shift and acts as a "target" by the ecu

2 separate tables
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