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Old Dec 27, 2022 | 12:49 PM
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On a 4l60e, why is it that when the 3-2 valve is blocked the band release hole needs to be enlarged? If we are potentially getting rid of leaks wouldn't it not need to he enlarged? Is it due to the fact that now the circuit has to travel a longer path? Or it's mostly affected by 2-3 hole size, so proportionally the BR hole is enlarged to time it right?

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P.s. does anyone have a VB diagram with all the checkballs with their respective number and function?

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The 3-2 Control Valve is a bypass circuit.
It bypasses the #12 Orifice (Band Release Hole) and #2 Check-Ball (Band Release Check-Ball).

We want to eliminate this Bypass and use the Band Release Hole to control the Timing of the Band being release with the Apply of the 3-4 Clutch...
This makes the 2-3 Up-Shift.

Below is a modified Hydraulic Diagram that I made to show this:
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I was not happy with the diagrams that I posted earlier in this thread.

So here is an updated diagram of the same circuits... the sections in PURPLE are essentially the paths that are blocked-off when both the 3-2 downshift and 3-2 control valves are blocked in.


Fluid needs to go from the 2-3 Shift Valve to both the 2-4 Servo (to push-off/ release the Band) and the 3-4 Clutch.
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The diagram makes perfect sense. So without blocking the valve, the checkball is completely bypassed or we have parallel flow? I would expect to have flow through checkball AND the bypass, correct?

If the valve were to be left, the band release hole shouldn't be messed with to properly time band release, correct?

The sole purpose is to eliminate potential leaks? If the valve is not leaking (using a vacuumtest per se), am I doing my trans a disservice by not blocking it?
Or for high performance application it is absolutely necessary because it's inherent to increase 2-3 hole size, therefore band release needs to be timed accordingly?

Sorry for all the questions, just curious as to why something is being done.

Edit*If the sole purpose is to eliminate leaks, isn't there some sort of reamer with oversize valve kit so we don't have to be guessing at band release timing?

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Old Dec 27, 2022 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by subeone
The diagram makes perfect sense. So without blocking the valve, the checkball is completely bypassed or we have parallel flow? I would expect to have flow through checkball AND the bypass, correct?

If the valve were to be left, the band release hole shouldn't be messed with to properly time band release, correct?

The sole purpose is to eliminate potential leaks? If the valve is not leaking (using a vacuumtest per se), am I doing my trans a disservice by not blocking it?
Or for high performance application it is absolutely necessary because it's inherent to increase 2-3 hole size, therefore band release needs to be timed accordingly?

Sorry for all the questions, just curious as to why something is being done.

Edit*If the sole purpose is to eliminate leaks, isn't there some sort of reamer with oversize valve kit so we don't have to be guessing at band release timing?
In the Stock Configuration...
There is parallel flow when the Valve is in the Open Position (We do not want this to occur, it changes the Timing of the Band Release).
When the Valve is in the Closed Position, flow is the same as if the Valve is Blocked.

There can be some Fluid leaked at any worn Valve...
Generally a Leak is more common at the 3-2 Down-Shift Valve, Not the 3-2 Control Valve.

We block the 3-2 Control Valve to eliminate a Variable in the Timing of the 2-3 Shift.
When the Valve is Blocked, we control the timing of the Band Release via the Hole.
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Old Dec 28, 2022 | 07:22 PM
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Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions
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Old Dec 28, 2022 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by subeone

P.s. does anyone have a VB diagram with all the checkballs with their respective number and function?
Didn't see this before, but here you go.
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4L60E Check ball function.pdf (480.9 KB, 1445 views)
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Old Dec 29, 2022 | 12:00 AM
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Didn't see this before, but here you go.
thats money! Couldnt have asked for anything else. Thank you.
glad this forum is still sorta kickin, filters out the unnecessary unlike facebook.
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