Stumped as to which stall to get
Stumped as to which stall to get Hey everyone. I have decided to go with a Fuddle verter and am unsure which one to go with. For maximum street use and to kill all M6s, iwas thinking 4000 2.4 str. However, this might be a little much o nthe street. This car wont see the track. It is strictly a street car, but i dont care about driveability and what not. I just want to get the most performance possible and kill M6's. But with the 4000, traction might be an issue. Or i could go with the 3400 2.1 str which would be more efficient and traction would be a little nicer but i wouldnt quite get that hit. For street car, performance, what would you guys suggest. Oh, car will be only bolt ons and will stay ful lbolt ons for a while. I would like it to hang with some low 12 sec cars and be a low 12 sec car full weight if taken to the track with proper tires,etc. Thanks
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i have a fuddle 4000 stall with 2.4 str, it is an excellent converter. however, for a STREET-only application, i would suggest something smaller. this converter is LOOSE and with exhaust it would be VERY taxing on the nerves. to keep up with traffic from a stoplight i have to spin 2,800-3000k. i love the converter, as i am more track-driven. you could still be low 12s with a ~3500 stall, it's mostly in the suspension setup and bolt-ons. i dropped .55 off of my 1/8 mile time and LOST 3 mph due to tqm (full race/high stall shift kits and tqm DO NOT get along). i'm sure if i had the same mph i would've dropped more. and i only had 3 passes after i got the converter, 2 of which i spent trying to hook up.
Without a good tire you won't hook up on a 3000 stall let alone a 4000. Since its manily a street car I'd say get a 3500 like I have. I plan on taking mine to the track but even on DRs you may have trouble hooking up with a 4000 stall so stay lower for the street.
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Originally Posted by s346k
i have a fuddle 4000 stall with 2.4 str, it is an excellent converter. however, for a STREET-only application, i would suggest something smaller. this converter is LOOSE and with exhaust it would be VERY taxing on the nerves. to keep up with traffic from a stoplight i have to spin 2,800-3000k. i love the converter, as i am more track-driven. you could still be low 12s with a ~3500 stall, it's mostly in the suspension setup and bolt-ons. i dropped .55 off of my 1/8 mile time and LOST 3 mph due to tqm (full race/high stall shift kits and tqm DO NOT get along). i'm sure if i had the same mph i would've dropped more. and i only had 3 passes after i got the converter, 2 of which i spent trying to hook up.
hmmmmm. I will be running a drag radial on 18s, either 265/40 BFG or may widen my rims and run a 305 nitto or 295 BFG. Maybe happy medium.... 3600 or 3800?
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i have a vig 3200 and love it, but it sounds like you want to go a lot bigger than that so i would say a 3500-3600 would be nice. with my 3200, full bolt ons, and a 224 cam with warm nittos (275-40-17) i will spin off the line but if i hammer it from 10mph it will hook and go pretty nicely.
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yeah but your vig 3200 is flashing at more like 3600. I had a TCI 3500 and 285/35/18 Nitto DRs, and had no problem hooking after a good 10-15 sec burnout. Mods are listed in my sig, minus the cam at the time. I've now got a 3400 stall Fuddle which I figured would flash higher than 3400 because of the cam. I would have easily gone 4000, but John talked me out of it 
I guess I'll let you guys know how it works out for me in the spring. Worst comes to worst, you could always get a lower gear to tighten it up down low. I promise though, with a 2.4 str, it'll take you about 3 days to get used to it.
I guess I'll let you guys know how it works out for me in the spring. Worst comes to worst, you could always get a lower gear to tighten it up down low. I promise though, with a 2.4 str, it'll take you about 3 days to get used to it.
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If it was me, 2800/1.7 and 3.73 gears. The gears get you into the power band so you dont need a high stall and the low STR and stall RPM makes for an efficient converter that will PULL HARDER through the mid-range and TOP END than a 4000 stall will. Now if you hit the track a lot then thats a different story.
Well i want something that will hit super hard off the line but still be able to find some traction if i went to the strip on DR's. I want something for the street to have fun with and make M6's look funny.
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Well I went for a ride in Kpowr82's car a while back before the cam like he said and if you dont deliberatly heat up the tires with a burnout it doesn't dead hook but its definatly better than without DRs lol and awesome traction for the street. I'd say keep it down below 4000. If your concerned about spanking M6s then don't race from a roll, or simply have more horsepower and less weight.
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Hmm...my 4000 doesnt seem to feel as loose as you descibe yours. Did you bump up your line pressure?
Hmm so most of you guys think a 4k is too much for street use. Ok lets have a vote...... 3400, 3600, 3800, or 4000 and why
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I'm going to say to go in the 3400-3600 range at most since you don't go to the track. I don't go to the track at all really and my 3400 felt great. Oh, and as far as getting that "hit" off the line that you describe? Don't worry, the 3400 will still give it to you! Pretty much anything that's a 2800 or above simply blows the tires off.
Alright sweet, and i dont understand this 3400 will be more efficient up top than 4000. does this mean it will pull harder up top and would be better for street also?
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Alright sweet, and i dont understand this 3400 will be more efficient up top than 4000. does this mean it will pull harder up top and would be better for street also?
alright so you guys suggest 3400-3600 ish with like 2.1 ish STR? I just want to have a fun time and dont want to regret going to small.
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Well there are times when I wish I would have gone slightly bigger but then again I can't get the full performance out of my stall without DRs so I can't make that judgement yet. I'd say go 3600 or so and you'll be pleased. If you have never been in a stalled car then it'll probably seem pretty loose at first but after a day or two you'll get used to it.