Fuddle 3000 stall, not very good!!
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Fuddle 3000 stall John at Fuddle has offered to replace this converter. Good customer service 
I have always used either Yank or Vigilante converters but got a good deal on this Fuddle 3000 stall. I had this 3000 installed into my 2005 GTO and it is very loose( much much looser then the SS3600 in my 02 Formula), it is also very slow at locking up under normal highway driving. I drove my 02 Formula when I got home with the GTO and the Formy is very crisp when you give it gas from a stop and doesn`t rev up much under normal driving(but hits hard at the track 1.57 60'). The Fuddle in the goat does not move when you give it gas until your at 1800rpm(very loose) it feels like the Yank PT4000 I used to have and not what you want when you get whats supposed to be a fairly tight 3000stall.
I have always used either Yank or Vigilante converters but got a good deal on this Fuddle 3000 stall. I had this 3000 installed into my 2005 GTO and it is very loose( much much looser then the SS3600 in my 02 Formula), it is also very slow at locking up under normal highway driving. I drove my 02 Formula when I got home with the GTO and the Formy is very crisp when you give it gas from a stop and doesn`t rev up much under normal driving(but hits hard at the track 1.57 60'). The Fuddle in the goat does not move when you give it gas until your at 1800rpm(very loose) it feels like the Yank PT4000 I used to have and not what you want when you get whats supposed to be a fairly tight 3000stall.
Last edited by Caveman; Jan 8, 2006 at 09:38 PM.
Something sounds wrong, I have a 3600/2.5 Fuddle and mine is very tight and way better then the SF4000 that is in 4thGenCamaros car. I love how it drives on the street and i was cutting 1.52 60 fts at the track.
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Are you positive it's a 3000? Any 3000 ought to feel significantly tighter than an SS3600. My TCI 3000 will roll forward at idle. Either it's more like a 4000 or something is wrong with it.
I have a Fuddle 4000 and my car will move before 1800 rpm (slightly off idle even). Sounds like something is wrong.
When I installed a friend converter and we where low on fluid it stalled a lot higher then it should have. How is your fluid level?
When I installed a friend converter and we where low on fluid it stalled a lot higher then it should have. How is your fluid level?
well like slimcracka said the gto is heavier and it could also be the gear ratio you have in the gto
i had some tall gears with a 3800 stall and it did not want to go anywhere from a stop and it was very loose. but i change the gear from 3,08s to 3.73 and then changed to 4.56s which are in the car now and it does just fine with both the 3.73 and 4.56s. Also about 400 lbs has been taken out of the car. So it could be gear and weight. maybe just call fuddle up and tell him the weight of the car and gears you have. He probably could tighten it up for ya.
Good luck
i had some tall gears with a 3800 stall and it did not want to go anywhere from a stop and it was very loose. but i change the gear from 3,08s to 3.73 and then changed to 4.56s which are in the car now and it does just fine with both the 3.73 and 4.56s. Also about 400 lbs has been taken out of the car. So it could be gear and weight. maybe just call fuddle up and tell him the weight of the car and gears you have. He probably could tighten it up for ya.
Good luck
This certainly sounds out of the norm for our converters. Our 3000s especially should feel simply great on the street. Looking through the past six months of orders, we did not see yours. However, even if you bought it used, you are still covered under warranty. Our warranty covers you being happy with the converter. I would be happy to work with you and get things taken care of. Something isn't right. If the converter has ANY problem, or needs to be refreshed, you are covered.
Again, this is a result that I have never seen with our converters. I believe the judgment that it is a poorly built converter is incorrect. You will not find a more well built product on the market today. Let us take care of you.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
Again, this is a result that I have never seen with our converters. I believe the judgment that it is a poorly built converter is incorrect. You will not find a more well built product on the market today. Let us take care of you.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
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Originally Posted by 1jfuddle
This certainly sounds out of the norm for our converters. Our 3000s especially should feel simply great on the street. Looking through the past six months of orders, we did not see yours. However, even if you bought it used, you are still covered under warranty. Our warranty covers you being happy with the converter. I would be happy to work with you and get things taken care of. Something isn't right. If the converter has ANY problem, or needs to be refreshed, you are covered.
Again, this is a result that I have never seen with our converters. I believe the judgment that it is a poorly built converter is incorrect. You will not find a more well built product on the market today. Let us take care of you.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
Again, this is a result that I have never seen with our converters. I believe the judgment that it is a poorly built converter is incorrect. You will not find a more well built product on the market today. Let us take care of you.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
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Caveman,
I have the exact came converter in my Monaro (aka. GTO) and it performs exactly like you described. However, consider this:
My stock converter stalled to 1800rpm and would take 1300rpm to get moving solidly whereas the Fuddle takes 1800RPM and is a 1200 flash higher converter. The '05 GTO has a 2200 unit and so cant comment on drivabilty there. For a 9.5" unit you are NEVER going to get same-as-stock drivability. I did not suffer any gas mileage with my Fuddle at all and IMHO this stands out as being a very efficient converter. I even hold on 15* inclines with no brake (750rpm idle with cam now).
Best 60' with stock converter 1.98 and Fuddle 1.71 bog stock engine. Not raced with cam yet, but considering im getting 3600 flash out of a 3000 its perfectly suited to track work pumping out 560NM off the line. Expecting 1.6x 60' now. Used to get 3300 flash on stock cam.
The GTO is a heavy car. Because you are pushing more weight you must expect more flash. Sorry, but its true. Cannot compare drivability over 2 very different mass cars.
The stock diff ratio in an '05 GTO is 3.46. That is mostly what is killing you in a heavy car. Upgrade to 3.73 or 3.91 and feel the difference. Lighter weight Corvettes can get away with taller gearing.
Overall Im very happy with my Fuddle 3000.
I have the exact came converter in my Monaro (aka. GTO) and it performs exactly like you described. However, consider this:
My stock converter stalled to 1800rpm and would take 1300rpm to get moving solidly whereas the Fuddle takes 1800RPM and is a 1200 flash higher converter. The '05 GTO has a 2200 unit and so cant comment on drivabilty there. For a 9.5" unit you are NEVER going to get same-as-stock drivability. I did not suffer any gas mileage with my Fuddle at all and IMHO this stands out as being a very efficient converter. I even hold on 15* inclines with no brake (750rpm idle with cam now).
Best 60' with stock converter 1.98 and Fuddle 1.71 bog stock engine. Not raced with cam yet, but considering im getting 3600 flash out of a 3000 its perfectly suited to track work pumping out 560NM off the line. Expecting 1.6x 60' now. Used to get 3300 flash on stock cam.
The GTO is a heavy car. Because you are pushing more weight you must expect more flash. Sorry, but its true. Cannot compare drivability over 2 very different mass cars.
The stock diff ratio in an '05 GTO is 3.46. That is mostly what is killing you in a heavy car. Upgrade to 3.73 or 3.91 and feel the difference. Lighter weight Corvettes can get away with taller gearing.
Overall Im very happy with my Fuddle 3000.
Originally Posted by 1jfuddle
This certainly sounds out of the norm for our converters. Our 3000s especially should feel simply great on the street. Looking through the past six months of orders, we did not see yours. However, even if you bought it used, you are still covered under warranty. Our warranty covers you being happy with the converter. I would be happy to work with you and get things taken care of. Something isn't right. If the converter has ANY problem, or needs to be refreshed, you are covered.
Again, this is a result that I have never seen with our converters. I believe the judgment that it is a poorly built converter is incorrect. You will not find a more well built product on the market today. Let us take care of you.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
Again, this is a result that I have never seen with our converters. I believe the judgment that it is a poorly built converter is incorrect. You will not find a more well built product on the market today. Let us take care of you.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
my 4000/2.5 400$ cheapo converter 60ft 1.61 on radials today cam only n/a with stock tq arm and shocks.. carried the front wheel about 10 ft, 4-5 inches high, ill be looking to dip in the 1.50's very soon... drove home great, locked up fine, and felt nice and tight.. ofcourse i have 4.10's......
ill be upgrading to one of ur 700$ units soon as i get tired of the 75 shot and want to go bigger again
i think there one of the better built and more honest companies out there period!!! thanks fuddle
oh and clearly its feeling looser then stock b/c the gto is a freaking pig at prolly near 4000lbs....
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Well John at Fuddle is going to send me a new converter to replace the one that is in the car now, even though I bought it new in the box second hand from a customer of his. Excellent customer service! 
Just another thread where the user failed to contact the sponsor/seller first. Now someone looking for threads on Fuddle will see this and after the first post be thinking F*** this. Caveman, sorry if this gets you the right way, but if you had any inkling to look at Fuddle's site you would see the #, email addie, and the Warranty info. I know I have posted on Johns outstanding Customer Service before, and this time is no different. Simply amazing that he has time to get on here, see his companies name, read the post (some reply without reading the typed passages) and then reply, in public in a respectful and professional manner.
I am glad you feel he is taking care of you, maybe you should take care of him and edit your initial post so it aint so inflammitory? Thanks.
Heavier car, gears etc, will effect it. But, I wouldn't doubt it could be something else, mismatched stated stall speed, etc.
I am glad you feel he is taking care of you, maybe you should take care of him and edit your initial post so it aint so inflammitory? Thanks.
Heavier car, gears etc, will effect it. But, I wouldn't doubt it could be something else, mismatched stated stall speed, etc.
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Originally Posted by CAT3
Just another thread where the user failed to contact the sponsor/seller first. Now someone looking for threads on Fuddle will see this and after the first post be thinking F*** this. Caveman, sorry if this gets you the right way, but if you had any inkling to look at Fuddle's site you would see the #, email addie, and the Warranty info. I know I have posted on Johns outstanding Customer Service before, and this time is no different. Simply amazing that he has time to get on here, see his companies name, read the post (some reply without reading the typed passages) and then reply, in public in a respectful and professional manner.
I am glad you feel he is taking care of you, maybe you should take care of him and edit your initial post so it aint so inflammitory? Thanks.
Heavier car, gears etc, will effect it. But, I wouldn't doubt it could be something else, mismatched stated stall speed, etc.
I am glad you feel he is taking care of you, maybe you should take care of him and edit your initial post so it aint so inflammitory? Thanks.
Heavier car, gears etc, will effect it. But, I wouldn't doubt it could be something else, mismatched stated stall speed, etc.
Originally Posted by 1jfuddle
This certainly sounds out of the norm for our converters. Our 3000s especially should feel simply great on the street. Looking through the past six months of orders, we did not see yours. However, even if you bought it used, you are still covered under warranty. Our warranty covers you being happy with the converter. I would be happy to work with you and get things taken care of. Something isn't right. If the converter has ANY problem, or needs to be refreshed, you are covered.
Again, this is a result that I have never seen with our converters. I believe the judgment that it is a poorly built converter is incorrect. You will not find a more well built product on the market today. Let us take care of you.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
Again, this is a result that I have never seen with our converters. I believe the judgment that it is a poorly built converter is incorrect. You will not find a more well built product on the market today. Let us take care of you.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
Now that's customer service!
