Can a stock A4 handle this?????
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Can a stock A4 handle this????? Being the paranoid person I am, I was just wondering. Soon, i'll be putting a new cam in, not a huge one due to emissions and idle (although my PCM will be tuned) but a decent sized one. Maybe one of the smaller G2 cams since they'll be doing the work. I dyno'd at 306rwhp and 330rwtq now. Not bad for an automatic <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> but my question is, can a a4 handle certian power increases. I know I won't be getting that much out of the cam, but i've heard some horror stories. I was also considering a TC after the cam. I don't have the $$$ to buy a new tranny if I screw this one over...
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? The best one can say is maybe. If you race your car and run it hard, you WILL break things.
I destroyed mine with just bolt-ons if that gives you any ideas. I think it is safe to say that mine was weak from the beginning, some hold up just great.
What it comes down to is this: If you want to pump a lot of power through an A4, start saving for a built tranny.
I destroyed mine with just bolt-ons if that gives you any ideas. I think it is safe to say that mine was weak from the beginning, some hold up just great.
What it comes down to is this: If you want to pump a lot of power through an A4, start saving for a built tranny.
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? Plan on your stock A4 breaking if you race or run the car hard, even if you don’t mod your car at all. I know that some guys are running tons of power through stock A4s, but that is by far the exception and not the rule.
I am replacing my stock A4 next week when the cam goes in. I have TM removed from the PCM, I have a 3500 stall ‘verter, I run the car hard, and I’m not in a position where I have time to cart this car around to replace the tranny when it breaks 50 miles away at the track, so I’m doing it now. Also, this way when I do heads, intake, etc. I’ll already have the tranny to back things up.
I am replacing my stock A4 next week when the cam goes in. I have TM removed from the PCM, I have a 3500 stall ‘verter, I run the car hard, and I’m not in a position where I have time to cart this car around to replace the tranny when it breaks 50 miles away at the track, so I’m doing it now. Also, this way when I do heads, intake, etc. I’ll already have the tranny to back things up.
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? My new tranny will be going in as soon as Chuck finishes it up.
Mine crapped out with just bolt-ons and a 3500 stall. Oh, and a lot of hard driving. LOL
Mine crapped out with just bolt-ons and a 3500 stall. Oh, and a lot of hard driving. LOL
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? Can folks who toasted one talk a little about how it acted as it was dying? I'm trying to figure out if I have a hardware or software problem <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? A tranny cooler is a good start. A trasgo shift will also help by eliminating the friction caused by slow sloppy shifts. Don't be afraid to put one in you can choose from three levels of **** firmness to suit your taste, from quick firm shifts that are not to harsh to break your tires loose shifts. The kit also increases pump flow with a new boost valve and spring. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? The built 4L60E that I'm buying is from site sponser Speed Inc. It includes the following:
Replace all clutches with Raybestos Blue racing clutches
Install Raybestos Hi Static low/rev
Install Hi energy band
Replace all steels with Kolene Steels
Replace all bushings
Replace all seals and gaskets
Replace Sun gear shell with HD harden drum shell
Replace stator with 4340 steel shaft
Install Billet servo
Install HD low roller sprag
Install HD Mechanical Diode sprag 3-4 v/s roller clutch
Mill both pump halves flat.
Replace pump rings with billet rings
Replace pump vanes with harden kolene vanes
Install Hi psi regulator valve
Machine case and convert from electronic line to modulated
Set all internal clearances to min specs.
Recalibrate VB for positive shifts.
The price is $1650. And yes, a tranny cooler is ALWAYS a good idea. That was one of my first mods.
Replace all clutches with Raybestos Blue racing clutches
Install Raybestos Hi Static low/rev
Install Hi energy band
Replace all steels with Kolene Steels
Replace all bushings
Replace all seals and gaskets
Replace Sun gear shell with HD harden drum shell
Replace stator with 4340 steel shaft
Install Billet servo
Install HD low roller sprag
Install HD Mechanical Diode sprag 3-4 v/s roller clutch
Mill both pump halves flat.
Replace pump rings with billet rings
Replace pump vanes with harden kolene vanes
Install Hi psi regulator valve
Machine case and convert from electronic line to modulated
Set all internal clearances to min specs.
Recalibrate VB for positive shifts.
The price is $1650. And yes, a tranny cooler is ALWAYS a good idea. That was one of my first mods.
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? I contacted a place in my state called ART CARR transmissions. From what I understand, they sell or build your current tranny into one of their "extreme 4L60-E". its about $2400 for the entire tranny, but about $1900 for them to do it to yours (i think) Im considering this as a major possibility. Im going to see how things progress after the cam. Has anyone ever heard/ dealt with that company before?
Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
The built 4L60E that I'm buying is from site sponser Speed Inc. It includes the following:
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It will probably still blow up. First rule of racing is never rebuild parts that aren't broken. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
The built 4L60E that I'm buying is from site sponser Speed Inc. It includes the following:
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It will probably still blow up. First rule of racing is never rebuild parts that aren't broken. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ToplessTexan:
<strong>Can folks who toasted one talk a little about how it acted as it was dying? I'm trying to figure out if I have a hardware or software problem <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My stock tranny refused to make the 2-3 shift at WOT, then started slipping. I decided to take in in to be looked at and on the way to the shop while sitting at a light, smoke started pouring out from under my hood. I pulled over popped the hood and the tranny had built up so much pressure that it blew the locking cap off of the dipstick and drenched the engine compartment in ATF.
<strong>Can folks who toasted one talk a little about how it acted as it was dying? I'm trying to figure out if I have a hardware or software problem <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My stock tranny refused to make the 2-3 shift at WOT, then started slipping. I decided to take in in to be looked at and on the way to the shop while sitting at a light, smoke started pouring out from under my hood. I pulled over popped the hood and the tranny had built up so much pressure that it blew the locking cap off of the dipstick and drenched the engine compartment in ATF.
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? Alright, well my fear factor just jumped to the next level....lol. Would a tranny cooler give any protection at all? I dont run my car hard all the time. alittle playing on the street and a few track runs in the future, but nothing real extreme. About how much $$$ would I be looking at if my tranny died/or "build" one for insurance? For the most part my car is a daily driver...but alot of miles (i've put about 25k on it in one year <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> )
Are there anyways to prolong the live of a tranny other than a cooler? or is it just a matter of time?
Are there anyways to prolong the live of a tranny other than a cooler? or is it just a matter of time?
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? Terry is right, you may as well run yours until you know it is starting to fail.
I had the same symptoms as Reboot's tranny. It holding the 2-3 shift, then banging the rev limiter, now it slips like crazy.
I wouldn't go with the Art Carr, for the same price you can get a FLP Level IV or if you want to give it a whirl, try the Speed Inc. tranny.
At this point, my suggestion is the FLP. It is well proven.
I had the same symptoms as Reboot's tranny. It holding the 2-3 shift, then banging the rev limiter, now it slips like crazy.
I wouldn't go with the Art Carr, for the same price you can get a FLP Level IV or if you want to give it a whirl, try the Speed Inc. tranny.
At this point, my suggestion is the FLP. It is well proven.
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? Is there a web site or anything that has the FLP on it? I looked on Http://www.flp2win.com but there were no trannys on there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? Http://www.flpexhaust.com
Your best bet is to call 630-820-9294 and ask for Chuck. He will answer all of your questions. He is often busy, but he will happily talk to you.
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Your best bet is to call 630-820-9294 and ask for Chuck. He will answer all of your questions. He is often busy, but he will happily talk to you.
Denzil
Re: Can a stock A4 handle this????? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BIGSAM99Z:
<strong>you can choose from three levels of **** firmness to suit your taste,</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">are we talkin trannies or toilets <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ?
<strong>you can choose from three levels of **** firmness to suit your taste,</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">are we talkin trannies or toilets <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ?