</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99BlueZ28:
<strong>You guys are recommending a 3500 stall for the guy when he already said he drove a car with that stall and didn't like the driveability. Remember that everyone isn't concerned with producing the bestETs otherwise we'd all have 4400 verters. Remember that this is the Wuss Converter thread. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">not all 3500 stalls are the same. my 3200 is like a 3800....a SY3500 is like a 3200.....

as for the vig- i got a code in my 01 till i got torque management deleted.

 

Get the TT2800. you'll be happy; it will meet your goals. If you get really serious down the road, you can do a conterver/tire/gear swap to YTP 4000/Et Streets/3.73 and kick butt at the track.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dave Jones:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Paul @ Thunder:
<strong>My vote for what you are looking for would be a Vig 2600 or 2800. Great streetability and will really rock at full throttle.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can you tell me what the STR is for each of those?

Dave</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Without calling Precision to verify this I think it's about 2.5. Precision doesn't advertise STR like Yank does.

On a side note. All of the converters people are throwing out here are good converters, but the key for you is to get what you want. I drive a Yank PT4400 and I love it but that's not the converter for you.If you want a Wuss converter then get that. I really don't consider a Vig 2800 a Wuss converter at all nor a Yank ST3500. If you want a real Wuss converter then get a SY2600 or that SLP converter, but I don't think you'll be happy with that either. One advantage to starting with a Vigilante converter is that you have 1 free stall change. Get a Vig 2800, drive it for a little while, and if you are happy with it great if not send it back and they'll raise or lower the stall for you at no charge. Better yet if you can find someone in your area with something close go drive it. I've let many people drive my wife's car with a Vig 3200 and it's sold a lot of converters, some 3200s and some smaller. It all boils down to what you want. Lots of people start out with smaller converters and most end up going bigger later. That's just part of the game we are all playing here. Good luck... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ May 10, 2002, 09:09 AM: Message edited by: Paul @ Thunder ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by goj:
<strong>Vig says their 2800 has an str of 2.5. Yank's
comparison chart shows it has an str of 2.1. Big difference if your making a decision. Anyone certain of the correct str?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm starting to think that PI has made some changes to their converters this past year. I'm seeing many people with Vig 2800s that claim a 2.5 STR. Anyone with the same converter that purchased it over a year ago claims a 2.0 STR. Anyone know what up? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99BlueZ28:
<strong>You guys are recommending a 3500 stall for the guy when he already said he drove a car with that stall and didn't like the driveability. Remember that everyone isn't concerned with producing the bestETs otherwise we'd all have 4400 verters. Remember that this is the Wuss Converter thread. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A ST3500 is a wuss converter <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99BlueZ28:
<strong>You guys are recommending a 3500 stall for the guy when he already said he drove a car with that stall and didn't like the driveability. Remember that everyone isn't concerned with producing the bestETs otherwise we'd all have 4400 verters. Remember that this is the Wuss Converter thread. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You need to read my full post. I told him "you get used to it" The best advice is "Find the one you want and go up one more" So you don't go "Man I wonder if I got just a little more stall...."

 

Vig says their 2800 has an str of 2.5. Yank's
comparison chart shows it has an str of 2.1. Big difference if your making a decision. Anyone certain of the correct str?

 

Well, now I'm totally confused. Same thing happened the last time I tried to decide on a torque converter. I asked around and got forty-eleven different suggestions. I will be interested to find out what the STR really is for the vig 2800.

The police ossifer who stopped me this morning at 4 A.M. for having a "heavy foot," (his words) must think the one I have now accelerates hard enough. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" /> He said, "But you have the right car for it." That's when I knew he was going to let me go with a warning. He checked me out on the computer, and finding that I am a solid citizen <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" /> , he said, "Mr. Jones, slow it down for me, okay?"

"Why, yes sir, I surely will."

<img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Toxic Texan:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99BlueZ28:
<strong>You guys are recommending a 3500 stall for the guy when he already said he drove a car with that stall and didn't like the driveability. Remember that everyone isn't concerned with producing the bestETs otherwise we'd all have 4400 verters. Remember that this is the Wuss Converter thread. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You need to read my full post. I told him "you get used to it" The best advice is "Find the one you want and go up one more" So you don't go "Man I wonder if I got just a little more stall...."</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I also saw it throw a code while I was test driving it. That one is right out.

 

Call Yank talk to Mike and ask him about the new version ST3500 it will not throw codes.

 

Gack. I just discovered even move choices. This is going from bad to worse.

SLP sells a couple of converters, manufactured by Yank. I suppose the cheaper one is a "Stealth". But the other one is supposed to stall at 3300. The fact that SLP spec'ed it out interests me. Anyone know which, if any, of the converters that Yank puts its on brand on is equivalent to the SLP one?

Dave

 

http://www.converter.cc/general_motors.htm#GM

Try the link above

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> SLP/YANK STEALTH 2600 (298mm, 2600 stall, 1.90 STR) $395, ($475 Nitrous Pro Version </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">From Yank's site

<small>[ May 11, 2002, 02:13 AM: Message edited by: Toxic Texan ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Toxic Texan:
<strong>http://www.converter.cc/general_motors.htm#GM

Try the link above

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> SLP/YANK STEALTH 2600 (298mm, 2600 stall, 1.90 STR) $395, ($475 Nitrous Pro Version </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">From Yank's site</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Got it. The one I might be interested in is,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>SLP 3300 (245mm high efficiency, balanced launch suitable for drag radials or street radials, 3300 stall, 2.2 STR) An SLP exclusive built by Yank.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Toxic Texan:
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You need to read my full post. I told him "you get used to it" The best advice is "Find the one you want and go up one more" So you don't go "Man I wonder if I got just a little more stall...."[/QB][/QUOTE]

I understand fully what you're saying. I just can't give advice over the internet based on what may or may not happen. Some people learn to adjust to driving around with higher stalls where others get sick of it pretty quick. I just don't wanna be the guy that talked someone into something they didn't originally want and feel like an idiot down the road when the regrets start occuring.

<---- Has run a Vig 2800 for over 2 years. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Happy with the performance, thought about re-stalling higher, decided nuh uh. Too much rush hour traffic for this one. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

 

PI rates all their Vigilante converters at 2.5 STR...it's their "marketing gimmick". The only way you can know for sure is to test them on a transmission dyno. Yank has access to General Motor's $1 million transmission dyno and has tested the STRs of all the PI converters along with their own. The Vig 2800 has a STR of 1.98. That's still a nice improvement over the stock converter.

Again, the best Wuss converter out there is the Pro Yank 3400 and the newly reconfigured Yank 3000. The old Yank 3000 was a 265mm converter, but the new ones are 258mm, just like all the Pro Yank converters. I would get one or the other and not give it a second thought.

 

As I said before, Mike-at-Yank said he could not guarantee the Pro 3400 would not throw codes in a 2002. That one is right out. Which Yank 3000 are you refering to? All the numbers and letters make the head spin.

I'm leaning toward the SLP 3300 converter (made by Yank). Their advertisement says they spec'd it out specifically for the LS1, and do not require computer programming.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> SLP 3300 (245mm high efficiency, balanced launch suitable for drag radials or street
radials, 3300 stall, 2.2 STR) An SLP exclusive built by Yank.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

 

I almost feel embarrassed that this thread has gone on so long, but I'm about as confused as I was when I started it. I kind of know what stall rpms and STR mean operationally (the physics definitions), but I don't understand what they mean in terms of how the car drives. Three parameters, namely diameter, stall rpm, and STR make a mind boggle. It's maddening.

Among the alphabet soup of converters from Yank, are the ones listed below. The diameters on these are all 265 mm, but I still don't know how to choose among them. Let me put it this way. Suppose you and I could win a lot of money if I could do a test drive with each of them and guess which was which. To help us win the money, what notes and instructions could you give me?

33-TT2800-2.5 Yank Torque Thruster 2800 2.5 Torque Converter, 265mm, 2800 stall, 2.5 STR $695.00

33-TT2800-3 Yank Torque Thruster 2800 3.0 Torque
Converter, 265mm, 2800 stall, 3.0 STR $595.00

33-TT3000-2.5 Yank Torque Thruster 3000 2.5 Torque Converter, 265mm, 3000 stall, 2.5 STR $695.00

33-TT3000-3 Yank Torque Thruster 3000 3.0 Torque
Converter, 265mm, 3000 stall, 3.0 STR $695.00

33-Y3000
Yank 3000 Torque Converter, 265mm,
billet cover 3000 stall, 2.00 STR $750

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Patrick G:
<strong>...The old Yank 3000 was a 265mm converter, but the new ones are 258mm, just like all the Pro Yank converters. I would get one or the other and not give it a second thought.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks again. You have the credentials and you speak with confidence. I probably should just do what you say. I'll give Mike-at-Yank another call. I can't find the 258mm version in a catalog.

BTW, it's way too late for me not to give it a second thought - or third - or thirtieth.

 

Dave, none of the 258mm converters made by Yank have thrown codes in the past. Only the 245mm converters like the ST3500 had that history. Yank fixed that problem a month or two ago on the Super Thrusters (with an updated clutch). You can't go wrong with either the Yank 3000 (in its new form) or the Pro Yank 3400. I've owned both and they are extremely nice...especially for being "wuss" converters. The SLP 3300 is going to be more like the Vig 2800 than anything else. Both are excellent, but start to get out of the "wuss" converter category for a lot of drivers.