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Old 06-12-2006 | 11:56 PM
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TCI 3500 here. Gets lots of looks driving around town. No tune and still drives great. 1/4 mile times in sig. If i had to do it again, I honestly would probably go a little bigger, at least 4000. Best mod for an automatic hands down though.

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Old 06-13-2006 | 01:57 AM
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well I just my fuddle 3400, FLT Stage 3, and a basic tune all done at Speed Inc. with the 2.73 gear its loose. normal aceleration the car revs to 2500-3000rpm but the converter was made for my future (probably a winter project) change to a 3.42 or 3.73 gear so the super loose feel was expected. that aside I still love this setup with the few days of driving I've had.

I don't know how much just the stall or trans or tune helped because I had it all done at once. the car shifts fast as hell and chirps the tires on the 1-2 shift and it tries to rip the tires off the car from a standstill. the stock stall and trans was lucky to squeak the tires on launch on the street and the horrid torque management killed the shift speeds but its a completely different car now!!

thus far gas mileage doesn't seem to have changed at all with the 40 miles a day of 50/50 mix of traffic and highway driving I do every day.
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i hate my 3200 stall. but i do have a stock cam.... so maybe that why. but now, i hate it, entirely too big.
Old 06-13-2006 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by brynnda
i hate my 3200 stall. but i do have a stock cam.... so maybe that why. but now, i hate it, entirely too big.
Why do you hate it? Is it too loose?
Old 06-13-2006 | 02:40 AM
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who the hell drives around with their rpms higher than 3200? after shifting it doesnt stay that high. its robbing horsepower. i need to get my cam in asap.
Old 06-13-2006 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by brynnda
who the hell drives around with their rpms higher than 3200? after shifting it doesnt stay that high. its robbing horsepower. i need to get my cam in asap.
Uhh you have one so you should already know this. Stall speed does not mean you will be driving around in that RPM range. My SS3600 drives at 1800-2500rpm depending how much gas I give it.
Old 06-13-2006 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackHawk T/A
Uhh you have one so you should already know this. Stall speed does not mean you will be driving around in that RPM range. My SS3600 drives at 1800-2500rpm depending how much gas I give it.
I just noticed his car is an LT1 ... 3200 is a lot of stall for those since the torque peak is so low - especially if it's a Vig which means it stalls even higher.
Old 06-13-2006 | 11:41 AM
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fuddle 4000, 3.73 gears, cammed, and i love it. the gas mileage isnt that big of a deal.
Old 06-13-2006 | 12:06 PM
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SSF 3500 here, on stock cam n 3.23's. i like the way my car drives now but i also enjoyed it when i had the stock stall. i went with a 3500 because i do plan on upgrading my cam and i felt that there were more cam options that could work with a 3500.
don't have track times however; my mpg currently is approx 22 city/hwy mix.
it took me a day to get used to it and now it feels "normal" to me. i also heard that there isn't much difference between a 3000 n 3500 as far as looseness goes.
two things you WILL NEED, tranny cooler n at least some DR's. tranny cooler for obvious reasons n DR's because you will need to re-learn how to launch your a4. i had yoko's es100's and they wouldn't hook to save my ***. upgraded to BFG's DR's and after small burnouts, they hooked pretty decent on a shitty track.
oh n, once i hit 40-45 mph, 4th kicks in n i can cruise at about 1800-2200 rpm, if that helps any.
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I love mine
Old 06-13-2006 | 01:14 PM
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fuddle 3600 here and LOVE it. I can keep up with traffic and never go over 2200 rpm.....not loose at all, will still creep forward idling in gear. Shift extension is ~5100rpm with 6400rpm shift points. If you're reading this and you don't have a converter, order one. You won't ever look back. I had wanted to swap to a t56 setup for years, but after I got my converter that thought went promptly out the window.
Old 06-13-2006 | 02:21 PM
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About how much does it cost to get a Stall/Tranny cooler installed?
Old 06-13-2006 | 02:25 PM
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I paid $400 shipped for my Fuddle 4400 on a group purchase. I think they are about $450 now. You can find used Yanks, Fuddles, etc in the for sale section for around that much or a little cheaper. The B&M cooler was around $100 or so, I can't remember for sure. I was quoted $400, $500, $300, etc etc for the install and fluids. However, a member of our local F-body club is installing the stall, cooler, headers, y-pipe, and intake for $450.

I would budget aside about $1000. You probably won't spend all of it, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Expect to drop around a second from your 1/4 times too
Old 06-13-2006 | 02:27 PM
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I have a TCI 3500 with a TR224 and I LOVE it, I'm a college student, this is my DD and I drive it about 50 miles a day, 1/2 city 1/2 highway. I didnt notice any difference in MPG when I'm not getting in it, but that is so hard to do. I still avergae about 20 MPG combined a tank. It truely does wake the car up!

Originally Posted by RevGTO
I just noticed his car is an LT1 ... 3200 is a lot of stall for those since the torque peak is so low - especially if it's a Vig which means it stalls even higher.
I noticed that too, most LT1 guys I know go with a 2800 stall. Weird.
Old 06-13-2006 | 11:00 PM
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I Have a Fuddle 3400/2.1 STR I love it!!!great Street Manors,If I had to do it again I might've gone a lil higher maybe a 3800????Not sure.As for gas Miliege I lost a little not too much.Good Luck!!!
Old 06-14-2006 | 12:09 AM
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This is a great thread!!!!!!!!!! From what I have read I am getting a fuddle 3500...... unless you 3500 users think a 3600 would be a better choice.
Old 06-14-2006 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by xxtheonlyxx
Hey, not trying to steal the thread but I have a similar question. I was about to get a 3600 (to go with 3.73's) but my mechanic said its not a good idea to get a stall without upgrading the cam. Are you guys running stock cams? How would a stock cam work with a 3500 - 4000 converter.
have you looked at the stock internal list in the drag racing forum? everyone has 4000-5000 stalls all with stock cam.

There's no problem with going that big with a stock cam. I had a 3500 TCI and it was very street friendly and I don't know why you would go any smaller than that. 3600-4000 for a daily should be fine.
Old 06-14-2006 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by xxtheonlyxx
This is a great thread!!!!!!!!!! From what I have read I am getting a fuddle 3500...... unless you 3500 users think a 3600 would be a better choice.
rule of thumb with a stall is to find the one you want and go one step bigger.
Old 06-14-2006 | 12:35 PM
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Thanks for the info!!!!!! 3600 it is Then I will probably re-stall it to 4000 when I get my procharger in the winter
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Originally Posted by xxtheonlyxx
Thanks for the info!!!!!! 3600 it is Then I will probably re-stall it to 4000 when I get my procharger in the winter
Bad idea.


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