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Old 11-27-2006, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SDB
5 converter over different engine combo's

the cars you mention are NOT stock, just because they are stock cam, does not mean STOCK. 4000 is too much for a daily driven STOCK LS1 car...period. Not a good combo. I know with all supporting mods, light weight, etc. you can run real good, BUT again....on a totally stock f-body, down to tires and tune, a 4000 stall is not a great choice at all, and will not get .5-.8 in the quarter...period. I don't car about cars with every ******* mod EXCEPT cam, etc. I am talking totally stock because that is what the poster said.

Well I guess we can disagree. I don't think any amount of internet arguing will change our views. There is enough information out there for the original poster to search and come to his own conclusion.
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Originally Posted by SDB
I said a TOTOALLY stock car, as the starter of this thread said, will NOT pick up .5-.8 in the quarter on STOCK TIRES>>>>>>>period.
I think I could do it. Start with a bone stock 2.73 with factory 16" GSCs and I'll pick up .5 easy. Nice thing about a 4000 stall and low gearing is that it is much easier to roll into the throttle than trying this with a 3000 stall and factory tires. If the 4000 stall is a low STR unit like the SY4000, it will be even easier. The two easiest cars to launch on the street that I ever drove were YTP 4200 & 3.23s (mine) and an SS with a SY 3500, 3.23s, and the standard 17" SS tires.

Yes, drag radials would make it much easier.
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well im basically stock (lid,muffler--not a catback and a stall). Stock i ran 13.4-13.5's all day long. Put a lid on then the stall and went down to 13.0 and spinning like hell 2.1 60's so there is a bunch more et in that combo.. Since then i put on the muffler i also changed the converter to a 3,800-4,000 stall and less str. Take offs are much easier as i can roll into the throttle and shift extention doesnt drop below 5k. Now all i have to do is get thoes mt et drag's and ill be set. So a stock car can definately drop .5 with a 3k converter and a bit more with a higher stall. This topic has been beat to death and if you do enough research you will find that 3,500 is the sweetspot for a stock car and a few mods. I got the 4k for future mods.
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the car was completely stock except for a lid and 373 gears. i added a 4k stall (still on the stock tune) - it went like this:

8.73 @ 83
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8.18 @ 80 banging the limiter on 2-3 roughly 7-8 times. i added a 4k stall and drag radials, nothing else.

with bolt-ons i was down to 7.68-7.71 @ 87-88 before i sold the car.
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again.....the poster said completely stock...no lid, exhaust, drag radials, 3.73 gears...etc. I am saying that a 4000 converter in a copletely bone stock car is a mismatch, and will not perform as well as a 3000-3500 stall, and will not get .5-.8 in the quarter with no other supporting mods at all.

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oh yea like a lid and a muffler really wakes up a stall, please. A lid adv 8hp and a muffler around 5hp and maybe .10 in the 1/4. So come on man your trying to split hairs to save your . Now if you want to say that switching from a 3,500 stall to a 4,000 stall wont net much difference i would agree with.
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Well, when he adds the 4K stall, he will need new tires shortly after. So, get some drag radials!
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Originally Posted by SDB
I am saying that a 4000 converter in a copletely bone stock car is a mismatch, and will not perform as well as a 3000-3500 stall, and will not get .5-.8 in the quarter with no other supporting mods at all.

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i disagree. the gears and lid were worth next to nothing over what the car ran bone stock. .5 from a 4k stall and drag radials (assuming a tune for it to work PROPERLY) is the least of gains to be had. mismatched? nah...but it will perform WAY better down the 1320 vs. a stock stall.

a 4k stalled car will outperform a 3-3.5k stalled car assuming they're both stock. there is no argument to this.



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