4l80e ??? What year
4l80e ??? What year Plan on going to the junkyard tommarow to look for a 4l80e I may get lucky and find one but it will most likely be out of an older truck. Will there be any electric modifications that will need to be done to the tranny. I know the bellhousing is alittle different from the older years but will still work I guess. I searched and it said 97+ is the one to get but I may be able to get an older one cheap and wondering if that will work fine im mainly concerned about the electronics being different then a 02 trans. I noticed on my buddies 95 4l80e on his truck that it has some kind of black eletric box with 2 plugs going into it by the shifter cable lever not sure what that is I would imagine you dont need that for an Fbody?
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4l80e The 91/93 units had a different harness connector and it is not the desireable unit . The later the unit the more GM updated it . 97 up units had the lub return in the center of the case and this made cooler line routing a bit different but sonnax made an adapter line that worked good ! The later units had molded clutch pistons and high enegy clutch plates (98 up) and better designed bands , but the price goes up accordingly . The early units can be retrofitted with a lot of the later parts if you can find one cheap enough . !!!! The switch on the side of the late units was a neutral/mlps switch !!
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The 91/93 units had a different harness connector and it is not the desireable unit . The later the unit the more GM updated it . 97 up units had the lub return in the center of the case and this made cooler line routing a bit different but sonnax made an adapter line that worked good ! The later units had molded clutch pistons and high enegy clutch plates (98 up) and better designed bands , but the price goes up accordingly . The early units can be retrofitted with a lot of the later parts if you can find one cheap enough . !!!! The switch on the side of the late units was a neutral/mlps switch !!
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4l80 The switch was used on trucks . The linkage shaft is longer on the one that takes the switch but can be changed . 94 up electronics are all the same and you can upgrade the cluthpacks and bands to later design with the right parts during rebuild . But even the early designed trans is a lot stronger than the 4l60e . I'd recomend the Trango -2 shift kit and the latest solenoids and such . Are you going to have it profesionally built or do it yourself?
Originally Posted by big wally 55
The switch was used on trucks . The linkage shaft is longer on the one that takes the switch but can be changed . 94 up electronics are all the same and you can upgrade the cluthpacks and bands to later design with the right parts during rebuild . But even the early designed trans is a lot stronger than the 4l60e . I'd recomend the Trango -2 shift kit and the latest solenoids and such . Are you going to have it profesionally built or do it yourself?
When you have the trans built just have the builder change the linkage. It requires that you remove the valve body and I really do not see any point to changing it yourself. He will need to get a complete linkage kit from GM because there were some changes in the rooster cone. Keep in mind with a unit that is not 99^ you will loose the bolt hole at the 12 o'clock position on the bell housing. The early units had some weaker internals but as John stated can be built very close to the later units. Good luck with your search and let me know if you need anything. Vince
Originally Posted by Vince @ FLT
When you have the trans built just have the builder change the linkage. It requires that you remove the valve body and I really do not see any point to changing it yourself. He will need to get a complete linkage kit from GM because there were some changes in the rooster cone. Keep in mind with a unit that is not 99^ you will loose the bolt hole at the 12 o'clock position on the bell housing. The early units had some weaker internals but as John stated can be built very close to the later units. Good luck with your search and let me know if you need anything. Vince
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Yes the dowel pin locations are the same. As far as the price it would depend on who builds it for you and what they use for parts. I use a lot of new parts or like new parts in all of my builds as far as hard parts are concerned. The new parts include the bushings, clutches, steels, solenoids, separator plate, sprags, internal wiring harness and others that are listed on our web page and some that are not listed. It depends on which level that I am building but for a $1000 it would just cover my salary and the parts. If you can get someone to do it for that kind of money then I wish you well. If you have any questions feel free to contact us at the shop this week or shoot me a PM. Vince
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Verdad Gallardo Well for the upgrades if I get the older unit I will probably just get a shiftkit and the newer upgrades. If I end up buying a newer one 99+ I will probably just beat the stock one till it breaks.
$1000 is a bit light to get it done right IMO.
You'll want to add a 34 element sprag while you are in there. That's a $50 part. A valve body kit is another $50-100.
These things seem to be rough on the rear band and reaction carrier, so I typically resurface the carrier and replace the band with a new Delco piece. That's a $25-30 part and time to resurface the carrier.
You also want to replace the shift solenoids and likely the EPC while there. Shift solenoids are about $15 each, the EPC is a bit more.
A complete rebuild kit with new bushings, thrust washers, overhaul kit, clutches, filter, front band, etc is a couple of hundred.
Most shops mark up these parts also.
It doesn't really cost anymore to rebuild than a 4L60E, it should need fewer hard parts, and you'll only have to do it once, if you do it right, so spend the money to do it right the first time.
You'll want to add a 34 element sprag while you are in there. That's a $50 part. A valve body kit is another $50-100.
These things seem to be rough on the rear band and reaction carrier, so I typically resurface the carrier and replace the band with a new Delco piece. That's a $25-30 part and time to resurface the carrier.
You also want to replace the shift solenoids and likely the EPC while there. Shift solenoids are about $15 each, the EPC is a bit more.
A complete rebuild kit with new bushings, thrust washers, overhaul kit, clutches, filter, front band, etc is a couple of hundred.
Most shops mark up these parts also.
It doesn't really cost anymore to rebuild than a 4L60E, it should need fewer hard parts, and you'll only have to do it once, if you do it right, so spend the money to do it right the first time.
