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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 07:20 PM
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If you are happy with it, that's good. Just know that for a little extra money you could have gotten much better results. If someone posted those numbers out of a Yank converter everybody would be trying to tell the guy what is wrong with it.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 07:51 PM
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I will be posting soon wih numbers. I have the midwest 3000 stall.
I ran 13.06 with just a lid. Since I have added some go goods and some weight in the form of suspension.
I will post my time slip with just a lid and then my new time slip.
My mods since 13.06 include: My +weight mods include BMR SFC and STB and lakewood ds loop.
+HP mods include pace ls6 maf (i think it is junk), Loudmouth.
I now have ET Streets.
It would not be fair not to add good tires to this test IMO becuase I can no longer get traction even when I try to feather it.
I will be doing this at the same track with the same type of weather..cold
I hope this will shed light on the situation. I am not one to sell myself on a POS. If it is not giving me numbers I will change to one of the other brands.
Thanks to Steve Frank for installing this for me. I learned alot that day.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 08:05 PM
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I have been cutting 1.89 to 1.91 on my stock converter <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I am in the market for a stall but Im not sure what I want to do.Any suggestions? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 08:19 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 4mulaJoe:
<strong>If you are happy with it, that's good. Just know that for a little extra money you could have gotten much better results. If someone posted those numbers out of a Yank converter everybody would be trying to tell the guy what is wrong with it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am very happy with it. A little extra money? You mean almost double the money for almost the same results compared to a Vig 3200.
Why are you so worry what people think about Yanks? If your a Yank lover, thats great. I for one heard of to many complaints about chattering clutches and the halt of production due to problems with clutch surface size. As far as Mid West, they've been doing TCs for, I believe 25 years. But who knows, if other 01-02's start running the Yank SS3800 without problems I might get one in the future. I'm not a TC racist. I'll try anything that works. And I won't try to make solid .5 seconds gains from a small TC sound bad.
The reason I went with the small converter was so I could drive in and get warranty work done without raising flags. IMO - any small TC that drops .5 seconds is easily worth $400.
You guys with your stories of stock A4's pulling damn near the same times are funny. Show me an documented stock(with bolt-ons) A4 running 12.8s. It's not happening, much less 12.6. They must be the same ones putting down 350hp to the wheels at dyno pulls. I went to four large dyno pulls this year allone and have yet to see a bolt-on LS1 break 330 to the wheels. But all these internet stories going around, it must be true...
On the day at the drag strip, when lining up against M6 LS1's, and N20 LS1's - I never lost.
To me, thats saying something.
Once again, only trying to express my satisfaction with this TC. Not trying to intrude on any other companies or persons territories.
I sure wish people could give credit where its due. The MW TC is a solid buy.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 08:19 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 4mulaJoe:
<strong>If you are happy with it, that's good. Just know that for a little extra money you could have gotten much better results. If someone posted those numbers out of a Yank converter everybody would be trying to tell the guy what is wrong with it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am very happy with it. A little extra money? You mean almost double the money for almost the same results compared to a Vig 3200.
Why are you so worry what people think about Yanks? If your a Yank lover, thats great. I for one heard of to many complaints about chattering clutches and the halt of production due to problems with clutch surface size. As far as Mid West, they've been doing TCs for, I believe 25 years. But who knows, if other 01-02's start running the Yank SS3800 without problems I might get one in the future. I'm not a TC racist. I'll try anything that works. And I won't try to make solid .5 seconds gains from a small TC sound bad.
The reason I went with the small converter was so I could drive in and get warranty work done without raising flags. IMO - any small TC that drops .5 seconds is easily worth $400.
You guys with your stories of stock A4's pulling damn near the same times are funny. Show me an documented stock(with bolt-ons) A4 running 12.8s. It's not happening, much less 12.6. They must be the same ones putting down 350hp to the wheels at dyno pulls. I went to four large dyno pulls this year allone and have yet to see a bolt-on LS1 break 330 to the wheels. But all these internet stories going around, it must be true...
On the day at the drag strip, when lining up against M6 LS1's, and N20 LS1's - I never lost.
To me, thats saying something.
Once again, only trying to express my satisfaction with this TC. Not trying to intrude on any other companies or persons territories.
I sure wish people could give credit where its due. The MW TC is a solid buy.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 08:24 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 4mulaJoe:
<strong>If you are happy with it, that's good. Just know that for a little extra money you could have gotten much better results. If someone posted those numbers out of a Yank converter everybody would be trying to tell the guy what is wrong with it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am very happy with it. A little extra money? You mean almost double the money for almost the same results compared to a Vig 3200.
Why are you so worry what people think about Yanks? If your a Yank lover, thats great. I for one heard of to many complaints about chattering clutches and the halt of production due to problems with clutch surface size. As far as Mid West, they've been doing TCs for, I believe 25 years. But who knows, if other 01-02's start running the Yank SS3800 without problems I might get one in the future. I'm not a TC racist. I'll try anything that works. And I won't try to make solid .5 seconds gains from a small TC sound bad.
The reason I went with the small converter was so I could drive in and get warranty work done without raising flags. IMO - any small TC that drops .5 seconds is easily worth $400.
You guys with your stories of stock A4's pulling damn near the same times are funny. Show me an documented stock(with bolt-ons) A4 running 12.8s. It's not happening, much less 12.6. They must be the same ones putting down 350hp to the wheels at dyno pulls. I went to four large dyno pulls this year allone and have yet to see a bolt-on LS1 break 330 to the wheels. But all these internet stories going around, it must be true...
On the day at the drag strip, when lining up against M6 LS1's, and N20 LS1's - I never lost.
To me, thats saying something.
Once again, only trying to express my satisfaction with this TC. Not trying to intrude on any other companies or persons territories.
I sure wish people could give credit where its due. The MW TC is a solid buy.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 09:37 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Show me an documented stock(with bolt-ons) A4 running 12.8s. It's not happening, much less 12.6. They must be the same ones putting down 350hp to the wheels at dyno pulls. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I had full bolt-ons (headers, pulleys, FTRA, lid, MAF, exhaust, HPP3) and ran a 12.02 in great air with a ST3500 and stock 3.23 gears on nittos at a very heavy weight. Car dynoed only about 320 RWHP unlocked, but still cut 1.68 60'.

Sure I had a bit more stall, but full weight mid 12s with a Vig2800 or Yank 3000 is easily done. I'd tell you to look at the bolt-on list in drag racing, but all 50 cars on the list run 11s. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Sorry, but a single 1.8 on six tries in December weather is not impressive. A consistent 1.81 from a true 3000 stall would be decent. Maybe your nittos weren't heated enough to consistently hook?
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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 07:34 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by G-LOCK:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 4mulaJoe:
<strong>If you are happy with it, that's good. Just know that for a little extra money you could have gotten much better results. If someone posted those numbers out of a Yank converter everybody would be trying to tell the guy what is wrong with it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am very happy with it. A little extra money? You mean almost double the money for almost the same results compared to a Vig 3200.
Why are you so worry what people think about Yanks? If your a Yank lover, thats great. I for one heard of to many complaints about chattering clutches and the halt of production due to problems with clutch surface size. As far as Mid West, they've been doing TCs for, I believe 25 years. But who knows, if other 01-02's start running the Yank SS3800 without problems I might get one in the future. I'm not a TC racist. I'll try anything that works. And I won't try to make solid .5 seconds gains from a small TC sound bad.
The reason I went with the small converter was so I could drive in and get warranty work done without raising flags. IMO - any small TC that drops .5 seconds is easily worth $400.
You guys with your stories of stock A4's pulling damn near the same times are funny. Show me an documented stock(with bolt-ons) A4 running 12.8s. It's not happening, much less 12.6. They must be the same ones putting down 350hp to the wheels at dyno pulls. I went to four large dyno pulls this year allone and have yet to see a bolt-on LS1 break 330 to the wheels. But all these internet stories going around, it must be true...
On the day at the drag strip, when lining up against M6 LS1's, and N20 LS1's - I never lost.
To me, thats saying something.
Once again, only trying to express my satisfaction with this TC. Not trying to intrude on any other companies or persons territories.
I sure wish people could give credit where its due. The MW TC is a solid buy.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The vig3200 is 59.26% more money. That better? Your results aren't comparable to that converter man. I've had a vigi 3200 and had 2 other friends with it. All cut between 1.64-1.70 with bolt ons on nittos. My car did run 12.6 with only a lid, vig3200, and cutout on nittos. You don't happen to own or have a special interest in Midwest do you? You know the company history. And BTW, some people have been driving for 25 years, and they still suck at it so what was your point? I'm not a Yank lover. I would never buy one. I'm actually running a generic converter from a local tranny shop right now, but I cut much better 60's than that midwest converter.

You do whatever you want. I was just filling you in b/c you seemed to be misinformed to think a 1.8 60' on a converter ls1 doesn't SUCK.
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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 04:18 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by G-LOCK:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 4mulaJoe:
<strong>If you are happy with it, that's good. Just know that for a little extra money you could have gotten much better results. If someone posted those numbers out of a Yank converter everybody would be trying to tell the guy what is wrong with it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am very happy with it. A little extra money? You mean almost double the money for almost the same results compared to a Vig 3200.
Why are you so worry what people think about Yanks? If your a Yank lover, thats great. I for one heard of to many complaints about chattering clutches and the halt of production due to problems with clutch surface size. As far as Mid West, they've been doing TCs for, I believe 25 years. But who knows, if other 01-02's start running the Yank SS3800 without problems I might get one in the future. I'm not a TC racist. I'll try anything that works. And I won't try to make solid .5 seconds gains from a small TC sound bad.
The reason I went with the small converter was so I could drive in and get warranty work done without raising flags. IMO - any small TC that drops .5 seconds is easily worth $400.
You guys with your stories of stock A4's pulling damn near the same times are funny. Show me an documented stock(with bolt-ons) A4 running 12.8s. It's not happening, much less 12.6. They must be the same ones putting down 350hp to the wheels at dyno pulls. I went to four large dyno pulls this year allone and have yet to see a bolt-on LS1 break 330 to the wheels. But all these internet stories going around, it must be true...
On the day at the drag strip, when lining up against M6 LS1's, and N20 LS1's - I never lost.
To me, thats saying something.
Once again, only trying to express my satisfaction with this TC. Not trying to intrude on any other companies or persons territories.
I sure wish people could give credit where its due. The MW TC is a solid buy.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 04:33 PM
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G-Lock: My '02 A4 SS w/ stock converter, 3.23's, 345 hp airlid w/dual-dual, stock y-pipe, 15" Convo-Pro's w/skinnies front & 8.5x26" ET Drags, HPP3, FTRA, boxed lca's w/rt. side airbag being the ONLY mods, runs LOW 12.80's @ 108 mph +, w/low 1.90's sixtys consistently. This is in New England, at a fairly poorly-prepped track, in 60 degree and below weather. This car has not much more than 1500 mi. on the clock. I'm sure there are MANY MORE '01-'02 A4 F-body's out there with even less bolt-on's going that fast, or even FASTER. Don't know about Dyno #'s---ET's are what count to me. You can make these cars fly with a good converter & a few basics. Period. Best wishes. WJ. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 07:41 PM
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I have been reading this post on Ls1.com too. Your 60ft time is nothing to brag about. You would be running better with a 3500stall. The shift ext. would have helped you run .1 to .2 better. Your 1/4 times are good. Your 40mph kickdown would be better with a higher stall. If you only race at the track then you really should have gone higher. Im installing a TCI3500 in Jan and if all i can do on Nittos is a 2.8 60ft i will be unhappy.And i only paid 400+ for mine too. Too much talk and no show IMO. Vig and Yank are the best. TCI and Midwest are cheaper converters.Its the best i could do for myself. And i think it will kick but. Hopefully a 1.6-1.7 60ft with practice. Dont settle for less with any converter.
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Old Dec 15, 2002 | 08:29 PM
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6.84 @ 103 MPH @ Denton
JR's best time tonight in his 2002SS with Speektek SPI 1 cammed car and Midwest 3200 converter with built tranny, 3.73 gears and stock heads through true 2 1/2" duals.

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60 foot: 1.54
E.T: 6.84
MPH: 103.19

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KUDOS to:

Sam @ Speedtek (DA Wrencher Man)
Larry @ Larry's Automotive (DA Tranny Man)
Chris @ AMS (DA Tuner Man)
Jason Bailey (nbm99ta) (DA Rear End Gear Installer Man)
John @ HPAPARTS (DA Midwest Converter Man)
WHOEVER designed this SpeekTek SPI1 (S1) cam
DA DAD (That's me!!! LOL)

Converter Details:

2.0 STR, steel stators (For N2O use), throws NO CODES of any sort, launches like a rocket (see 60 foot time) and is EXTREMELY efficient (see 103 MPH). What more could you want in a converter???

BTW, Money is not really an issue when I buy parts but VALUE is. This MIDWEST converter is by far one of the better values for your money. You get ALOT of bang for the BUC here, there is NO DENYING it. Both Yank and Vigilante make great products but so does Midwest. You pay more for the Yank and Vigilante name but ask yourself is it worth it??? Maybe it is and Maybe it's not. In this specific instance though you couldn't trade me your Yank or Vigilante for my Midwest straight up!!!

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Old Dec 15, 2002 | 09:43 PM
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with my car my mph verys all the time went from 98.2 to 104.6 to 102.8 to a 99.3 i think it has to do with tire spin.
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