Uh, actually, if you were to read his post, the only used part is the carrier, everything else is new, and so what if the carrier is used? The things last forever, and i'm sure you could spend a couple more bucks for a new one, if you looked, he was just showing how someone could piece together a 9 inch for the same price as this 8.8 project, and the main issue is still, "Proven performance" yeah it's heavier and robs power, but it lasts, and so do the 12 bolts for near the same price, it's all a matter of preference, and i'm prefering something that has been used repeatedly, and lasts, like he and i said, lemme know how things are going after a year of abuse in your car, and then you'll have people lined up, but if your buying a rearend for your car, you have spent enough money that an extra 600 is well worth the peace of mind and parts.

 

i will give it a try. I am not a hardcore drag racer so i doubt it wil see many 1.4 60's. and i definetly respect the fact that you want to go tride and true. I will go for the rearend that i have seen through my life be strong. I have seen many race cars around here with 8.8s run low 9's, and also run 5.80s in the 8th. I am going to find out what some of the 60 foots were and let you all know. I believe it will be stronger than i need it to be anyways. I only PLAN on running mid 10's at most in the end.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ZYA_LTR:
<strong>Well, i don't want to start any wars, but i feel both sides of the arguement, yes the 8.8 is a cheaper alternative, if you know the guy doing it, and you are close to him, but if you logically look at the situation, for the normal individual, i would rather spend 600 more bucks, since your already deep into your pockets anyways. Spend 600 more to get a tried and tested part from a reputable manufacturer, that can be held liable for warranty issues, instead of chasing down some guy that buit the rears himself, and no matter how good the guy is, unless he is at moser/strange/currie, using precise tooling and machinery, his tolerancies will not be as close as the rears from the bigger companies, and why not just spend the 2,200 and get a 9 inch, yeah the rob more power, but there are companies that actually off lifetime...yes...LIFETIME warranties on there 9 inch rears.

Just my thoughts, but until this 8.8 has been around for a couple of years on fast F-bodies, i'll probably just save for an extra month to get a 9 inch/12 bolt.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ZYA, you have some good points and your head is in the right direction, however there a one small issues that you mentioned that's not totally accurate. More times than not, espcially with Moser, they're rears are set up HORRIBLE from the factory. Search this section, you will easily find 20 people complaining about their brand new Moser's whining like a wounded dog. I know some local small shops that run circles around Moser's assembly.

I think this rear would be worth a shot, however it keeps one weak link from the 10 bolts.....the axles. They are still twigs compared to a 12 bolt axle, and people do break them. If this guy could figure a way to upgrade axles and make them work with our ABS/bolt pattern/etc.., I think he would have a real good product on his hands...

Josh

 

you can upgrade them. You can even get them from him upgraded with the axles of you choice. 33 spline if you want <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

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Well my I waited 4 weeks for the Moser 12 Bolt that I ordered from a local shop so I sent it to a good performance shop. When hes installing it he says that the U-Joint needs to be adjusted because it doesnt fit my 02 SS. So I say fine and he sends it to be adjusted. Well I drove it home today hearing an annoying whining sound. The faster I go the louder it gets. When I let off the gas the whining goes away, if I step on the gas it comes back and so forth..Any Suggestions on what it might be??
Oh, My tranny and rear end gave out on the same run but I dont think the tranny would make that noise because its coming from the back of the car(I drove in gear 3 the way home) Thanks..Jacob

wow how unusual a whining moserf. I have a local shop who just runs a pattern and his don't whin, what is wrong why do these whine so much???

 

My point was, if it works, it will be a good alternative to a 12 bolt or a 9" for the casual racer, or aggressive street driver. I hope it works out and lasts, I just don't see the pieced together housing lasting long, IMO. I do hope it does, its always good when there is an alternative. As far as many Mustangs running low 9s and 5.80s in the 1/8 with the 8.8, that is with cast factory mounting points, not welded, pieced together mounts. A torque arm (a long ladder bar of sorts) puts alot of stress (all of the lifting of the suspension comes from the T/A) that a welded, added on mount won't be able to support. Good luck with it, but I hope the T/A mount doesn't decide to leave the housing at the end of your future 10 sec runs (at 125mph <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> . Good luck with it, and MERRY CHRISTMAS <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

i will try to get him on here to explain the way the tourqe arm is setup

 

A buddy of mine is also building an 8.8 for an F-body. We are using 31 splines, custom made for this application, and a 31 spline Auburn unit. I would trust this rear into the 10's, no problems. Beyond that, you would want to get the bigger axles and move to a spool. I have SEEN, not heard of, Mustangs 60 fting a 1.26 with an 8.8, it ran an 8.6 that pass. That was around 3200#'s too. IMO, an 8.8 is applicable for all but a handful of F-bodies. As of now, they simply aren't making enough power for a 9"

On another note, using stock LS1 axles with a stock traction lock would break the axles...ask Mustang guys what breaks when their rears are stock....the axles. If you have any question, shoot me an email, I'll try to answer them.

Thanks
Scott

 

I think thats just the price you pay when you buy a none stock rearend. They give up some over the quietness of OEM for the durabuility of aftermarket. Even if you do set the tooth pattern and gearlash right I still feel aftermarkets will always whine because of the angle of the gears teeth.

 

one of the locals hear, tore down a 12 bolt and just ran a pattern not using any type of dial in, it now 1.5 60 foots and never whines, so why can't moser ( strange in this case) get it right.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SPANKY LS1:
<strong> A torque arm (a long ladder bar of sorts) puts alot of stress (all of the lifting of the suspension comes from the T/A) that a welded, added on mount won't be able to support. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i guess that puts the 9" out of the game then as well. because it has welded, added on mounts doesnt it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ROB'S SS:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SPANKY LS1:
<strong> A torque arm (a long ladder bar of sorts) puts alot of stress (all of the lifting of the suspension comes from the T/A) that a welded, added on mount won't be able to support. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i guess that puts the 9" out of the game then as well. because it has welded, added on mounts doesnt it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Have you ever seen a Moser 9" housing for an F-Body? The 9" housing is a nice round, flat sided piece that the T/A mounts are welded to, while the 8.8 is housing is rough, has brackets for the upper control arms everywhere, no flat place to weld the T/A mounts to. Don't even get me started on the half and half axle tubes. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> My point from the beginning was, the $100-$300 that you can save versus a 9" that has been PROVEN , unlike the craze for some shop to fab up a rearend, weld some brackets, weld some tubes, and presto, bulletproof rearend, we'll sell a million. It doesn't nor will it work like that. Like I said, I hope it does work, but I really don't think it will. The whole topic of an 8.8 was brought up because of the "outrageous" price of 12 bolts and 9" rears, often said to be as high as $2500-$2600. I showed above that you can build a 9" or a 12 bolt for ~$1500-$1700. There have been about 20 threads about/by people that were gonna do an 8.8, gonna do an 8.5. As I said above, the main reason for upgrading to a 9" or 12 bolt versus fixing or building a 7.5" POS is for piece of mind and confidence in your rearend, neither of which I would have in a fabbed up 8.8, IMO. Let me know when its done and how it holds up to some abuse. I bet it won't, but maybe it will. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Let us know.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

spanky- the 9" soaks up too much hp

 

The housing on the 9 inch where the TA mount is welded is not cast iron like the 8.8 housing. If I was guessing they used the upper control arm ears on the 8.8 and some sort of bracket.

 

DAMIAN and others, OK, so we have come up with the fact that the Moser's whine from the factory, and maybe some of the others do also, but they don't explode from the whining, they are still setup within allowable tolerancies to run properly, so either ask the manufacturer, or the installer, to readjust the gear setup, so as to eliminate most of the whine, it is the same if you order an ATI Procharger, you can have them setup the blower to be more quiet, or noisy, it is all in how they setup the tolerancies, but they are well within operating range, just makes a noise difference, comeon, did any of us that are putting this much time/money into our cars to go this fast, expect that the Blower/Exhaust/Valvetrain/Rearends/Girlfriends or Wives <img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> , weren't going to whine and make noise, no, but we just dealt with the fact that in order to try to be the fastest, we would have to make sacrifices to get there. <img border="0" alt="[Banging Head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />

 

well in order to be a piece that is proven, some one must try it right??? That I guess will be me. Though i will only be running 10's when i will probably stop modifying we will see how it does. So far i have not broken my factory rear so i doubt i can break this <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

NO OFFENSE to anyone, I just like to be different and try something new.
You have to admit if it does work, wouldn't everyone who wants to have a drag/everday car want one.

 

heres a previous topic about the 8.8 with some pics. not very clear on the mounting of the t/a, but its there.
8.8 installed with pics

 

When I get mine, probably by fri. I will take a ton of pictures inorder to let everyone see how it works and fits.

 

The anticiption is building!!!!!

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Boo Yeah:
<strong> well in order to be a piece that is proven, some one must try it right??? That I guess will be me. Though i will only be running 10's when i will probably stop modifying we will see how it does. So far i have not broken my factory rear so i doubt i can break this <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

NO OFFENSE to anyone, I just like to be different and try something new.
You have to admit if it does work, wouldn't everyone who wants to have a drag/everday car want one. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">some people are just afraid of change. but i can say the least we will get out of the 8.8 will be a killer swap for the foot-brakers of the world.
and just an fyi, the older 8.8's(the ones designed like the 9" with a third member) were stronger than the 9" FROM THE FACTORY