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Old Jan 13, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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I am deffinately a newb because i've only had my car for about 6 months and all it has is a k&n filter and spinteck muffler got them both from friends. I plan on making a full bolt on car lt's dual exhaust, 3.73's and a chassis dyno tune. I'm hoping to run something like a 4000 stall but i'm not sure yet. The car will be daily driven and it's gonna get a 100shot. I'm looking to get the best 1/4 with decent streetability. is a 4000 or 4400 good or bad? whats my best bet? Please help guys, I'm looking for 11.5-12.0's Help me out guys.
by the way it's a 2002 camaro z28.
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Old Jan 13, 2008 | 08:47 PM
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well a 4000-4400 should both be good enough to get you to 11.5-12s with some sticky tires, and those other mods that you said you will have.
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Old Jan 13, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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I am deffinately a newb because i've only had my car for about 6 months and all it has is a k&n filter and spinteck muffler got them both from friends. I plan on making a full bolt on car lt's dual exhaust, 3.73's and a chassis dyno tune. I'm hoping to run something like a 4000 stall but i'm not sure yet. The car will be daily driven and it's gonna get a 100shot. I'm looking to get the best 1/4 with decent streetability. is a 4000 or 4400 good or bad? whats my best bet? Please help guys, I'm looking for 11.5-12.0's Help me out guys.
by the way it's a 2002 camaro z28.
Stay away from 4400 if you plan to use N20. For a 100 shot you're good for anything from a 3500-4000 stall. I'm thinking for a nice compromise of streetability and track response, the Yank SS3600 will do you very well.

The SS series is nice and tight for around town but the higher STR will kick *** at the track. Look at my sig and figure a SS3600 would get me another tenth. Then factor in a 100 shot from a 12.2 and can you say "hello LOW 11's!"

Good luck.
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Old Jan 13, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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I've got a guy around me with a 2001 camaro he's got a 3200 stall with a set of street et's an exhaust dump lid, filter, and street tune and he just ran 12.2. is his car some kind of freak? How much of a differance is there between the 3600 and 4000 stall? which stall is better with the nitrous? I see alot of people that have the 3600 stall and say they wish they went with the 4000.
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in my opinion a 3600 is better for nitrous. im downgrading from a 4000 to a 3600, but then again i will be spraying a 250 shot.
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Old Jan 13, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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I've got a guy around me with a 2001 camaro he's got a 3200 stall with a set of street et's an exhaust dump lid, filter, and street tune and he just ran 12.2. is his car some kind of freak? How much of a differance is there between the 3600 and 4000 stall? which stall is better with the nitrous? I see alot of people that have the 3600 stall and say they wish they went with the 4000.
If you ONLY spray a 100 shot then a Yank SS4000 would be better at the track. But the SS3600 gives you more room to grow. Plus a 3600 is more streetable. Just stay away from the PT series since they are NA converters and have too high of a shift extension for nitrous.

The difference between a 3600 and a 4000 stall at the track is probably about one tenth assuming the STR is the same.
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Old Jan 13, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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it's a stock bottom end and it's probably going to stay that way for a long time so i'm keeping 100 my limit.
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u want a nitrous stall a 3600 is what u want ur gonna flash the stall anyways 4000 n up is way to big
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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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ok so majority says the 3600 stall but now which one? yank? tci? PRO YANK 3600 EXTREME 4L60E/4L65E? SUPER STOCK 3600 4L60E/4L65E? i have no clue what to go with. i hope this thing will lauch the **** out of my car lol. How much nitrous can a stock bottom end take? and running 11.5-12.0 with the 3600 stall will I pop my rear? I'm just looking to build a budget monster you know.
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ok so majority says the 3600 stall but now which one? yank? tci? PRO YANK 3600 EXTREME 4L60E/4L65E? SUPER STOCK 3600 4L60E/4L65E? i have no clue what to go with.
Yank SS3600.

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i hope this thing will lauch the **** out of my car lol.
With bolt ons and 3.23's I can get 1.65 - 1.72 60's. The Yank SS3600 should hit a little harder then that. Probably low 1.6's on MY setup. Spraying out of the hole you might see some 1.5x 60's

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How much nitrous can a stock bottom end take?
The real question is how much HP can the stock bottom end take. The answer is around 600 rwhp. So if your car makes 350 rwhp then you could spray a 250 shot on the stock bottom end. Problem is that there are other parts of the car that can't handle that much spray. Like the stock fuel pump and injectors.

General rule of thumb is these cars can handle up to a 150 shot with only needing to upgrade the spark plugs. But it's a good idea to pull a little timing. You'll run a tenth or two slower NA but you'll be faster and safer on the spray.

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and running 11.5-12.0 with the 3600 stall will I pop my rear? I'm just looking to build a budget monster you know.
It's not the ET that pops the rear. It's a very low 60' or wheel hop that does. I have at least a hundred passes in the 1.6 range and have had no problems. Many people here have had 1.5x 60's and 10.xx ET's on the stock 10 bolt. The key is to preload the drivetrain before EVERY track launch. I like to brake stall up to 2K and then let her rip.

If you're really worried about it then wait till you get 20 feet off the line before you spray.
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I plan to run the bottle off of a wot switch. how do i preload the drivetrain? i've never had an auto car i could launch so i don't know much the first car i raced in was my old 1992 trans am 5spd so i slipped the clutch. basically after i line up hold the brake and gas it to like 2000 rpm and when its green let off the brake and drop the gas? will my stock 4l60e take the launching?
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I plan to run the bottle off of a wot switch. how do i preload the drivetrain? i've never had an auto car i could launch so i don't know much the first car i raced in was my old 1992 trans am 5spd so i slipped the clutch. basically after i line up hold the brake and gas it to like 2000 rpm and when its green let off the brake and drop the gas? will my stock 4l60e take the launching?
I first do a five second burnout to heat up my drag radials. I run 19 psi and use 2nd gear for this. Then after I see smoke for five seconds I put the shifter in OD and approach the starting line.

Once I stage I'll hold the gas hard with my left foot and then I use my right foot to bring my rpm's up to 2000. On green I release the brake and floor the gas at the same time.

It's the proceedure of bringing up the rpm's while holding down the brake that is referred to as "preloading the drivetrain". Basically by increasing the revs you reduce the shock that the rearend receives during a launch.
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