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Old 03-29-2009 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shoemike
The government doesn't belong in any industry,
especially when it is operating with a $1 trillion deficit.

Look at the post office, it's going broke and it's a monopoly.
really? there's no other way to ship packages or envelopes around the country?
Old 03-29-2009 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 383ss
really? there's no other way to ship packages or envelopes around the country?
Whats the name of that other company that handles the mail?
Old 03-29-2009 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 383ss
really? there's no other way to ship packages or envelopes around the country?
USPS has a monopoly on first class mail.

Back to the thread....

So long General Motors, welcome Government Motors. Who didn't see this coming?
Old 03-30-2009 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaseSS
lol we could only hope


you can bet gov't will 'restructure' them with an agenda in mind (i.e. stronger union ties, more green cars, less trucks and HP models, blah blah blah) and if the gov't feels it knows how to run this business, we will see GM and chrysler quickly fall further from where they already are. gov't doesn't belong in the auto industry
not being a dick but i think there is some truth to the government being in the auto industry. Look at ferrari, its the largest car manufacture in Italy, and in ratio of population, square miles, and number of employees, it would be similar to GM or Ford in the United States. Ferrari is owned actually as a branch of an oil company who is owned by the government of Abu Dhabi. now i know that ferrari is in a completely different market stand point, however the government has kept ferrari from tanking for several years now.
Old 03-30-2009 | 01:22 AM
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I'm confused. The Abu Dhabi government which owns an oil company has kept an italian car company from tanking?

How is that like this situation? We should have foreign powers controlling our companies?
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Originally Posted by BTTM
So President Obama asked the CEO of a private company to resign!?! I wish we would go ahead and anoint him King.

How about asking for the union leaders to step down......nah can't do that.


GM private? Since When? I am pretty sure they are a publicly traded company and have been for a loooooooooooooong time.
Old 03-30-2009 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PopaPork
GM private? Since When? I am pretty sure they are a publicly traded company and have been for a loooooooooooooong time.
Private in the sense that it isn't owned or run by the government.

Oohhh King Obama is about to announce HIS plans for Detroit! Can't wait to hear this.
Old 03-30-2009 | 10:26 AM
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I didn't vote for the O, but I'm happy he asked Rick to step down. He hasn't made a good move in the past couple of years. Bring in new blood if the American people are goign to keep GM alive. Rick should have stepped down on his own. That comment he made a couple of months back where he said he wasn't that GM needed "Strong leadership? this was the leadership that sank them. Bye bye.
Old 03-30-2009 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Urban Legend
So don't ask for a bailout then. Simple.
It's not a "bailout" it's a loan.

A bailout is what the financial institutions were given
Old 03-30-2009 | 11:21 AM
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Start reading ahead kids. Tomorrow we need to know the information in the Communist Manifesto, there will be a quiz.
Old 03-30-2009 | 11:24 AM
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He asks GM guy to step down but not AIG? odd.
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This sure didn't help GM's stock any
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/new...ion/index.html
Old 03-30-2009 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaseSS
gov't doesn't belong in the auto industry
Then at this time we wouldn't have an auto industry to be talking about...
Old 03-30-2009 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 05CherryGXP
I think when you manage to run something into the ground (or possibly below ground) that you should have to resign.

So I can expect all the Congressmen and women who were in office in 2008 or earlier to resign on Monday right?

Or are we doing that double standard thing.
Now that is a good point!
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Originally Posted by lt1camaro95
He asks GM guy to step down but not AIG? odd.
Likewise! The government which has the worst record of running a business (In this case a country) in the red is telling GM whats best for them. I'm sure Barrack will have Al Gore to Head GM!

Ive never been a big Wagoner supporter, but there are hundreds of replacements that will be potentially worse. I can see it now; Wagoner's replacement with an Al Gore agenda! Scrap the Camaro; the Corvette and any LSx powered vehicle. Our LSx powered vehicles, cars and mainly the trucks, have been making more power and getting better gas mileage year after under Wagoner. The replacement for Wagoner is a wild card and could be far worse, and the market knows it.

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Old 03-30-2009 | 12:10 PM
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Wagoner will be running Toyota within a year.
Old 03-30-2009 | 12:15 PM
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I see lots of people bitching about what the government is doing to try and save the company that everybody here rants about going under, but nobody providing a reasonable alternative. You can't complain about the government making suggestions/critiques/conditions for how a failing company should improve when they are being handed $20 billion. Would you rather them let the company die? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Old 03-30-2009 | 12:48 PM
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"Look at ferrari, its the largest car manufacture in Italy, and in ratio of population, square miles, and number of employees, it would be similar to GM or Ford in the United States. Ferrari is owned actually as a branch of an oil company who is owned by the government of Abu Dhabi."

Actually, Fiat is the largest Italian car manufacturer, they own Ferrari, and Maserati, among others. Ferrari is not owned by an oil company from Abu Dhabi. A company named Mubadala which is an investment company owned by the Government of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi sponsors the Ferrari F1 car.

http://www.ameinfo.com/107570.html

Back to GM, I think that many would suggest that the root cause of the issues in Detroit are a direct result of the unions.
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I'll be BITCHING when the goberment mandates GM stop producing the Corvette and Full size pick-up lines.

And I can see it happening

Build Green BS!!!!!!!!!!
Old 03-30-2009 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lt1camaro95
He asks GM guy to step down but not AIG? odd.
No, he puts an AIG board of directors member on the Tax Task Force.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/0...-board-member/


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