Z Fury

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You are missing the point here. With "fast" being subjective here, 540 hp is not as fast in the GT500 as it would be in a 4th Gen or an '03-'04 Cobra (I'll leave the Vettes out, since it is "not fair").

The car is heavy.
The performance numbers are low considering the power it boasts and the price tag it carries.
That is the point.

The "potential" of this car, or any car, should not be debated.

JD_AMG

How many G forces a car can generate in a 200ft circle has little to no indication of its handling.

Blakbird24

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So then let me ask you this...since we've seen what 500hp and now 540hp equates to in this car, would you say that further horsepower increases would be a positive thing for this car?

I only ask because it's part of my point. Since this is a supercharged car and has "tons of potential" as Unit put it, and since 540hp is really going to do very little over the 500hp that didn't do too much for the car to begin with, is this maybe the point where Ford should start to work on things like weight reduction, handling, and fuel mileage and just stick with the 500hp rating?

Blakbird24

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You will always get the "but a pulley change and an exhaust will..." excuses from the same guys on this forum. They just don't get the factory performance argument because they can't afford these kinds of cars new...they are always buying them used and modded. It's all they know.

I mean I love my car some of the time...it's great for surprising unsuspecting Vettes and Cobras on the highway, and for showing off at cruises and car shows...but i'm getting tired of the "modded out" feel of the car. It's insanely loud...which gets old, it rides rough, thanks to it's aggressive suspension, and no matter how fast it is, how great it handles, and how nice the custom interior is...it's still a '99. I'm ready for something new...this time i'm going for a car that doesn't need to be modded out to really perform...that's why I won't be going after the GT500. I can buy a C6Z and throw some CCW's on it and maybe a cool hood or something and be done with it. Or I could go with a loaded Camaro SS and a Magna Charger...and be done with it. Then I will have a ~540hp supercharged Camaro that should be good for at least a second better in the quarter than the GT500.

That's what i'm getting at here.

Irunelevens

Maybe first you need to figure out what kind of car you actually want, because a Corvette should never be compared to a Mustang/Camaro.

Blakbird24

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Does that mean I can't be torn between which one I want?

Maybe I want the world-beater supercar...or maybe I want the badass what-the-****-you-lookin-at attitude of the musclecar.

Somedays I want one, somedays I want the other. I'm not about to buy both, the wife would kick me out of my own house...and niether of those cars are big enough for me to live in.

Irunelevens

And you're torn between the two for intangible reasons at times, right? That's what causes people to like certain cars over others. Most of the people that buy GT500s love Mustangs, and are willing to pay $50k for one. It doesn't matter to them how much better the C6 is. Recognize that, and move on.

Blakbird24

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Dude i'm not even going to waste my time on you if you are going to keep doing this. All you do is pick out the small details of my points that you actually have something intelligent to respond with, and ignore the rest because you have nothing to stand on.

IF you would actually READ my ENTIRE explanation, you wouldn't have to make posts like the ones above, because you'd see that we are not actually in disagreement in the areas you have cherry-picked.

As you can see by my previous posts, I have not, and would never, dispute what you have posted above. I like the GT500 for the intangible reasons you speak of, but for me, those reasons are not enough to overcome the car's shortcomings.

If you are going to keep responding to my points this way, i'd prefer that you just overlook my posts and move onto others.

NHRAMAN

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Saw a Blue GT500KR a couple weeks ago-----sounded very loud when he took off.....guy was about 75.....cool.

nanokpsi

That is making a rediculous assumption. I refuse to buy a modded car. 90% of the time you are buying someone else problem child that they are tired of messing with.
You get that arguemnt becuase I am sure everyone on here has at least a couple grand tied up in aftermarket upgrades. It is what "we" do. I think it's foolish for anyone who anticipates modding a car to not take performance per $ of upgrades into account when they buy something. Using ulitmate potential is pointless becuase you can make anything fast with limitless funds.

If you don't care about what a car will do modded, that is fine. I guess most of us "grow up" at some point. If I didn't car about speed, I would get an Audi S5 though. That way the guys that do mod their cars won't be constantly trying to mess with me and showing me tail lights. That will always get to me I bet.
For the time being, it will be a Hellion powered GT500 for me, although a CTS-v might be a nice compramise

nanokpsi

...and 540hp in a fox body would be even faster. Cars get heavier as time goes on. That is just the way it goes. I would think the list is very short of cars that get a power increase and a weight decrese as the model progresses, especially on completley redisgned chassis.

Stock for stock teh Shelby is faster, and mod for mod they are faster. The only guys who care about weight are the guys with the older version trying to justify their own car. It is stupid.
The new Camaro is exactly the same way. Faster stock, faster with the same mods. Just becuase cars get heavier does not mean they are not better.

x3d187

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So why do you keep posting like you're gods ******* gift to humanity? You sit here and call everyone "kids", well guess what grandpa, move on with the times. You're a friggin joke, you ask why he bothers, but why do you? I'm pretty sure i'm not the only person tired of your pointless posts and trying to start crap. I guess we're all kids who are poor and cannot afford better cars right? Because we all drive stock "300rwhp" cars who obviously cant know anything or have opinions about other cars right? Grow the **** up, get a mother ******* life, and get off your high horse you arrogant *****. You're no better than the bum down the street laying on the ******* heater vent from the subway.


On to other things, the new GT500 looks nice. I like the new front end, and like said it has potential. Just my 2 cents.

Sarge_13

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Blackbird24, let me ask you a question. Since you are disappointed with a $50k car producing 540hp and mid 12 second quarter miles then what do you think about the Lamborghini Gallardo? Its AWD, weighs almost 4,000lbs, has 500HP, and can barely best the GT500's 1/4 mile times at 4 times the cost.

Z Fury

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So you're saying car will get heavier, making 500+ hp necessary for the car to get out of its own way, and this is just the way it is going to be? Aren't we pushing for more fuel efficient vehicles? (And by we, I mean car manufacturers.) What better weigh than to shed weight? Wasn't this the #1 problem with the previous GT500? So they address it by adding 40hp and regearing the car? It just seems half-assed. But if you have a hard on for this, by all means go get one.

I'll never say this car sucks. It is a very respectable vehicle. The numbers just don't seem to be matching up. I'd say the same thing about the Z28 if it comes out with a 550 hp LSA and throws down a high-12 second quarter mile run.

As far as this gem:
I could spend the rest of my night proving this inaccurate, but you'd just deflect it. There were plenty that got power increases and had weight loss from the 90's, and that's just off the top of my head. I don't see DOT's safety standards increasing that much in the past 5-6 years.

Z Fury

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I'd use the Mustang answer here and say "apples and oranges."

Urban Legend

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Not bad for a newbee with 17 posts.

Sarge_13

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One piece of advice to you. Chill out and grow some thicker skin or this place will really get to you if his comment did.

deelong4002

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It looks more like a catfish than the 4th gen camaro's do lol

x3d187

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Oh I'm good, I dont typically say anything and just read but I felt like saying something last night

88blackgt

at this point its more expensive to make the car lighter and maintain creature comforts. its easier and cheaper to add a CAI and a tune.