The only UAW workers assembling for Toyota are working in a GM joint venture plant- unless something has changed. That was an agreement that was made a long time ago and they are trying to get out of it. They are moving more and more production of the Tacoma to Mexico and Corolla to Canada.

 

China has been very big for GM, and they are trying very hard in India. South America also does well.

Fact is that Japan is the number one importer if automobiles and parts to the US yet doesn't allow fair trade in their country. You were commenting

"Everyone keeps saying how unfair it is for the US to sell cars over seas, now your saying they have no problem selling over seas?"

And my point is that not all overseas countries are unfair to the US with trade. We have a Favored Nation agreement with China. The biggest problem in the automotive industry for the US is Japan- unfair trade, currency manipulation and our own government.

 

How are we to blame? For one your never going to change government and thats that. I will tell you right now i take no blame you can take the blame but i think everyone has the right to complain about this ordeal.

 

Yeah that's the NUMMI plant in California (vibe/matrix). The Camry workers in G-Town next door are not union at all. My step dad used to be a big wig there and said that Toyota would pack and move if the employees ever brought in the union. Anyway, I've also had some friends work there and in talking to people found out that some people had been a "temp" for that plant for 13 years (that's the extreme end of it). Not sure if they just got lost in the paper shuffle, or if they have quit and gotten rehired over and over, but something didn't sound right to me there.

Oh off topic a second GM and Toyota have worked together on quite a few cars. The Geo Prizm was a Corolla, and Toyota sold the Cavalier in Japan, and since the Cavalier went away they have worked together on this Vibe/Matrix thing at NUMMI.

 

Correct, Ive never heard any such discussion of removing the production from cali

 

That quote right there is why we're to blame. We expect nothing from them, they have no consequences if they screw up, they divide us into camps so we can blame the other side for our problems. If we want to be apathetic towards our govt and let the extremists run the country then bail outs it what we get in return

 

But wait i thought that is why we elected Obama, for change remember?

 

I never thought that, nor did Obama ever claim that. No great president in history has ever not made note several times for the assistance of the citizens.

I think Chrysler has done a heck of a good job producing cars unlike GM. But they exist on the same unfair playing field as GM and are going to fall prey to the harsh and unfair laws that go against them running in this country. Dont get me wrong GM is my all time favorite company

 

The problem is that Chrysler also made crap for a long time, and people hold on to that.

 

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

See quote in banner at top of page.

 

This wont be the last time this happens. Wait and see how many banks fold in the next 2 years that borrowed money.

 

Unfortunatley this country has lost sight of what our governments function is/should be. I agree completley that we as a whole (regardless of what party you support) do not hold our elected officials accountable for screw ups. Instead we **** and moan and elect the garabage from the other party. It is starting to remind me of that Simpsons episode where the two aliens run for president. I think of events in our countries past where we took to the streets for less offenses, yet nothing for these almost fairy tale like expenditures?

Regardless back to the original post, failing companies need to be allowed to fail. That may seem redundant but apparently not enough. If a buisness is failing there is a reason. You can't throw money at your problems and hope they go away thats stupidity and for some reason the government bought into it. This should not be a suprise nor sholud the rest of the money that does not get paid back from the other companys who took it. I see this happening and I can't help but wonder how high my taxes are going to be in the near future.

~Jim~

 

What are you talking about didnt you watch his campaign. That was his slogan "Chang We Need"

 

I worked with him during that time. I know youre not that simple minded and you know he would never suggest that he alone will fix the auto industry

 

In most cases yes, But I say sell the companies rather than letting them fail. And while I think the car companies have had some poor management and made poor choices, I think that we must also recognize that the playing field has been somewhat unfair for American car companies to profit. Its not the guys building the cars they dont like, its the currency rate and health care and the fact that working Americans arent raking in the money to buy their products

 

This is such ******* Bullshit. I payed over $15,000 in taxes last year and for what? Anyone want to start donating funds, i have a plan. Im going to start buiying up all the national add space i can, and try to convince people to completely boycott Chrysler, ITS NOT OK TO STEAL FROM TAXPAYERS. And also boycott AIG.

 

That's exactly what that episode was poking at. It was a satire of the state of government in the US.

 

No i am pretty sure he wont fix much. You should probably work with him more and give him some of your thoughts. He sure knows how to throw away are tax dollars. I have nothing against him but this is not the change i thought he would bring.

 

Bush is responsible for the bailout, it had nothing to do with Obama, he just got this crap dropped into his lap, he inherited it along with the oval office. I dont think he just said they could have it either, its legalities it sounds like.

 

Which bailout are you speaking of? The automotive bailouts are 95% Obama.