President Obama To Nationalize California Emission Standard & Stengthen CAFE
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Stewarts said repeatedly that hes not a news source. He commentates on the news rather then delivering it. Stewarts issue is with the laziness and sensationalism that exists in cable news. Which all 3 major networks are guilty of but Fox repeatedly contradicts itself as he shows quite often. Like how O Reilly is an advocate of "right to privacy" but then sends his goons to stalk people with a camera that wont come on his show. And Fox also repeatedly gives only half the story and welcomes the ignorance of its viewership to help gain ratings
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It'll never work here in MT, MT will pass laws making it Void. Just look what we did with the Gun Ban Laws. Mt stood up and told the government FAWK YOU! And we passed our own set of laws making it legal to own Firearms the Fed's Are Trying to Ban
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The longest journeys still begin with one small step. I prefer not to take ANY steps in any direction of socialists tendancies. Giving public funs to the private sector surely constitutes that.
We need to worry less about fixing the US's bad image in the world, and fixing our own damn problems. I don't see how requiring the entire nation to fall under the same quidelines for pullotion with a state that has a hugely dense population.
We need to worry less about fixing the US's bad image in the world, and fixing our own damn problems. I don't see how requiring the entire nation to fall under the same quidelines for pullotion with a state that has a hugely dense population.
These standards are a needed to ensure a turn around in our climate. After all while we see the needs to take care of our problems at home, this is the entire planet we are talking about
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Socialism is form of government. You cant just use it as an adjective to justify a belief. Thats a series charge youre making. By that logic we would have to say that we already are socialist because we have a govt run military, fire, police, mail, soc sec, unemployment,ect. and the fact that the previous administration didnt do away with it must make them socialist as well. I think they are acting in such a manner because we are under extraordinary circumstances and unless they plan to make it final then its not socialism.
These standards are a needed to ensure a turn around in our climate. After all while we see the needs to take care of our problems at home, this is the entire planet we are talking about
These standards are a needed to ensure a turn around in our climate. After all while we see the needs to take care of our problems at home, this is the entire planet we are talking about
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Industrial polloution should be addressed before anyone worries about the smaller problem (cars). Actually, cars may not pesent much of a concern at all if large, commerical polloution was drastically reduced.
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What's funny is that you totally missed the point, that we have all these national issues (war in Iraq, the state of foreign affairs, the economy and that the country is going downhill, as you stated), yet the government is worried about creating tougher emissions standards. Glad to see our well paid leaders are worried about fixing a pin hole before the crater....
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Cleaner running cars also benefits us as consumers financially, as well as benefits our health.
Breathing this crap in everyday takes a toll...
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I don't care if it saves all the bunnies and reduces global warming or whatever but there's no sense in us driving cars that are inefficient if we have the technology to do otherwise.
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Yeah it was my fault, misunderstood your original post.
By the way the government wants us to rely less on foreign oil, and instate a standard emissions testing. Yet it seems they have totally forgotten Earth Day when our amazing president was using a ton of fuel on Air Force One. To give a speech that he could have made from Washington. They want us to use less oil, yet they find whatever reason to fly across the country to give a useless speech.
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**And just because Cali is covered in a cloud of smog, doesn't mean they have the right to go and start changing the emissions crap in Florida. Almost the entire state of Florida is surrounded by water, most of that crap is blown out to sea. There is no need for us to deal with that emissions ****. And don't give some kind of Al Gore speech, because I'm sure even Al Gore knows he's full inconvenient ****.
By the way the government wants us to rely less on foreign oil, and instate a standard emissions testing. Yet it seems they have totally forgotten Earth Day when our amazing president was using a ton of fuel on Air Force One. To give a speech that he could have made from Washington. They want us to use less oil, yet they find whatever reason to fly across the country to give a useless speech.
-Joel
**And just because Cali is covered in a cloud of smog, doesn't mean they have the right to go and start changing the emissions crap in Florida. Almost the entire state of Florida is surrounded by water, most of that crap is blown out to sea. There is no need for us to deal with that emissions ****. And don't give some kind of Al Gore speech, because I'm sure even Al Gore knows he's full inconvenient ****.
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No, these standards will not ensure any such turn around. Vehicle emissions as the end-all be-all of environmental concern is simply liberals blowing smoke up our asses.
Industrial polloution should be addressed before anyone worries about the smaller problem (cars). Actually, cars may not pesent much of a concern at all if large, commerical polloution was drastically reduced.
Industrial polloution should be addressed before anyone worries about the smaller problem (cars). Actually, cars may not pesent much of a concern at all if large, commerical polloution was drastically reduced.
My point is it's not just global warming, or tree hugging liberals blowing smoke up our ***, your not the slightest annoyed of all the money going out of the U.S from higher and higher gas price's with ever growing demand?
edit: ah crap I can't even take my own advice, damnit, always have a lot to say on this subject.
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No, these standards will not ensure any such turn around. Vehicle emissions as the end-all be-all of environmental concern is simply liberals blowing smoke up our asses.
Industrial polloution should be addressed before anyone worries about the smaller problem (cars). Actually, cars may not pesent much of a concern at all if large, commerical polloution was drastically reduced.
Industrial polloution should be addressed before anyone worries about the smaller problem (cars). Actually, cars may not pesent much of a concern at all if large, commerical polloution was drastically reduced.
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Socialism is form of government. You cant just use it as an adjective to justify a belief. Thats a series charge youre making. By that logic we would have to say that we already are socialist because we have a govt run military, fire, police, mail, soc sec, unemployment,ect. and the fact that the previous administration didnt do away with it must make them socialist as well. I think they are acting in such a manner because we are under extraordinary circumstances and unless they plan to make it final then its not socialism.
These standards are a needed to ensure a turn around in our climate. After all while we see the needs to take care of our problems at home, this is the entire planet we are talking about
These standards are a needed to ensure a turn around in our climate. After all while we see the needs to take care of our problems at home, this is the entire planet we are talking about
The problem with the US is that we think we can solve the worlds problems, when we can't even solve our own. We can't even secure our border, but we want to stop global warming. Yeah ****** right. I'm not buying into the liberl's "green" agenda either. It's just trying to get more poliktical capitol to keep the socialists retards in power.
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Sure, those are scialist ideas as well, but none of what you mention are businesses mean to make a profit. Giving money to the automakers was a huge mistrake. They are both going to go bankrupt anyways. What a monumental waste of money. To top it off, the governemt is basically telling most of the secured creditors for Chrysler to f-off and giving ownership to the Unions. Have you forgotten how well that worked for the airlines? They went into bankruptcy two years later.
The problem with the US is that we think we can solve the worlds problems, when we can't even solve our own. We can't even secure our border, but we want to stop global warming. Yeah ****** right. I'm not buying into the liberl's "green" agenda either. It's just trying to get more poliktical capitol to keep the socialists retards in power.
The problem with the US is that we think we can solve the worlds problems, when we can't even solve our own. We can't even secure our border, but we want to stop global warming. Yeah ****** right. I'm not buying into the liberl's "green" agenda either. It's just trying to get more poliktical capitol to keep the socialists retards in power.
For starters, I am UAW and my father and grandfathers are as well. These companies have been in business for years and handled these situations fine for years. Our current handling of how we do business in this country has made workers too costly, not the unions. And we're not going to give up health care and pensions and fair wages because people continue to vote for politicians that want to keep the status quo and let the corporations do business like a bunch of wild animals. And the airline businesses went bankrupt because they were bad business
2ndly, Theres plenty of profit to be made in these new green standards and I hope to see Exxon and BP get on board and help this out and still turn a profit. We can still have fast powerful cars and be less harmful at the same time
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**And just because Cali is covered in a cloud of smog, doesn't mean they have the right to go and start changing the emissions crap in Florida. Almost the entire state of Florida is surrounded by water, most of that crap is blown out to sea. There is no need for us to deal with that emissions ****. And don't give some kind of Al Gore speech, because I'm sure even Al Gore knows he's full inconvenient ****.
I like how your solution is letting all of it blow out to sea...
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For starters, I am UAW and my father and grandfathers are as well. These companies have been in business for years and handled these situations fine for years. Our current handling of how we do business in this country has made workers too costly, not the unions. And we're not going to give up health care and pensions and fair wages because people continue to vote for politicians that want to keep the status quo and let the corporations do business like a bunch of wild animals. And the airline businesses went bankrupt because they were bad business
2ndly, Theres plenty of profit to be made in these new green standards and I hope to see Exxon and BP get on board and help this out and still turn a profit. We can still have fast powerful cars and be less harmful at the same time
2ndly, Theres plenty of profit to be made in these new green standards and I hope to see Exxon and BP get on board and help this out and still turn a profit. We can still have fast powerful cars and be less harmful at the same time
Also nobody is asking you to give up pension or health care but the "fair" wages are debatable. Too often people point the fingers at each other (i.e. the UAW at GM and GM at UAW and blah blah blah) It's all related and all part of how the situation got to where it now is.
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All I have to say is take your soap box and go learn mandarin because China passed the US in CO2 output in 2006. And with Asia's almost exponential growth rate they will be DWARFING every other country in greenhouse gas production within 10 years.
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I agree that there's plenty of profit to be had by the oil companies they are just reluctant to leave their golden egg.
Also nobody is asking you to give up pension or health care but the "fair" wages are debatable. Too often people point the fingers at each other (i.e. the UAW at GM and GM at UAW and blah blah blah) It's all related and all part of how the situation got to where it now is.
Also nobody is asking you to give up pension or health care but the "fair" wages are debatable. Too often people point the fingers at each other (i.e. the UAW at GM and GM at UAW and blah blah blah) It's all related and all part of how the situation got to where it now is.
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I've already made my point on the entire oil scenario. Even if all cars pulled off 100mpg we will still be acquiring our oil from the middle east. And with us buying less oil where will the price of fuel jump to?
-Joel