Ferrari F430 replaced this year!!!
06-25-2009, 10:20 PM
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Ferraris F1 and BMWs DSG are similar yes, but very different in nature. Most Ferrari F1 trannies, 360 included DO have an auto mode. But it's kinda sucky. They really need to be shifted manually. A DSG is NOT based on a automatic. They are automated dual clutch manuals.
07-22-2009, 09:55 PM
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Umm, the F430 makes about 350 pound feet, our LS1 makes about 340. Yet it makes about 490 HP, our LS1 makes 310. And they only have 4.3 litres. So they have 1.4 litres less, they make MORE Torque, and they make about 175 more horespower, yet you say they only have a hair? Maybe it just seems like a hair compared to 500 horses but they make more torque than our 5.7's do. I know they cost a lot more, but cash has nothing to do with cold hard facts lined up next to each other LOL!!! Plus i think they MIGHT weigh less!
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Umm, the F430 makes about 350 pound feet, our LS1 makes about 340. Yet it makes about 490 HP, our LS1 makes 310. And they only have 4.3 litres. So they have 1.4 litres less, they make MORE Torque, and they make about 175 more horespower, yet you say they only have a hair? Maybe it just seems like a hair compared to 500 horses but they make more torque than our 5.7's do. I know they cost a lot more, but cash has nothing to do with cold hard facts lined up next to each other LOL!!! Plus i think they MIGHT weigh less!
Look at how the engines are being used and what the design goals were. In Europe, vehicles are taxed based on engine displacement, so naturally Ferrari wants to keep displacement as low as possible while keeping HP high to keep customers in showrooms. This means that they have to rev the **** out of the engines and don't have much to offer at lower revs. They spend a lot of time and money (yes, cash DOES matter, engineers don't work for free) to make the engine strong at high revs. Everything, the heads, cams, intake manifold, exhaust, all that is tuned until they're at or past the point of diminishing returns.
Now look at how the American 5.7L is made. It's made on a shoestring budget, compared to Ferrari, only revs to 6200rpm, is physically smaller, weighs less, and has a powerband the size of Texas. Also, look at the modding potential. The design of the LS1 leaves plenty of room to grow, whereas the Italians have prettymuch maxed out their engine. Not much to gain from your basic I/H/E bolt ons. I'd say the American engineers did just as good a job as the Italians when you consider the application, budget, and design constraints. How many people do you see dropping F430 engines into random cars? How many people do you see dropping LS1s into random cars?
07-23-2009, 02:29 AM
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This could get ugly. HP/L is worthless.
Look at how the engines are being used and what the design goals were. In Europe, vehicles are taxed based on engine displacement, so naturally Ferrari wants to keep displacement as low as possible while keeping HP high to keep customers in showrooms. This means that they have to rev the **** out of the engines and don't have much to offer at lower revs. They spend a lot of time and money (yes, cash DOES matter, engineers don't work for free) to make the engine strong at high revs. Everything, the heads, cams, intake manifold, exhaust, all that is tuned until they're at or past the point of diminishing returns.
Now look at how the American 5.7L is made. It's made on a shoestring budget, compared to Ferrari, only revs to 6200rpm, is physically smaller, weighs less, and has a powerband the size of Texas. Also, look at the modding potential. The design of the LS1 leaves plenty of room to grow, whereas the Italians have prettymuch maxed out their engine. Not much to gain from your basic I/H/E bolt ons. I'd say the American engineers did just as good a job as the Italians when you consider the application, budget, and design constraints. How many people do you see dropping F430 engines into random cars? How many people do you see dropping LS1s into random cars?
Look at how the engines are being used and what the design goals were. In Europe, vehicles are taxed based on engine displacement, so naturally Ferrari wants to keep displacement as low as possible while keeping HP high to keep customers in showrooms. This means that they have to rev the **** out of the engines and don't have much to offer at lower revs. They spend a lot of time and money (yes, cash DOES matter, engineers don't work for free) to make the engine strong at high revs. Everything, the heads, cams, intake manifold, exhaust, all that is tuned until they're at or past the point of diminishing returns.
Now look at how the American 5.7L is made. It's made on a shoestring budget, compared to Ferrari, only revs to 6200rpm, is physically smaller, weighs less, and has a powerband the size of Texas. Also, look at the modding potential. The design of the LS1 leaves plenty of room to grow, whereas the Italians have prettymuch maxed out their engine. Not much to gain from your basic I/H/E bolt ons. I'd say the American engineers did just as good a job as the Italians when you consider the application, budget, and design constraints. How many people do you see dropping F430 engines into random cars? How many people do you see dropping LS1s into random cars?
That is PURE favoritism right there. If your gonna compare those two power plants you got to get your facts straight and your head out of your *** in order to make a decent argument.
07-24-2009, 12:38 AM
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This could get ugly. HP/L is worthless.
Look at how the engines are being used and what the design goals were. In Europe, vehicles are taxed based on engine displacement, so naturally Ferrari wants to keep displacement as low as possible while keeping HP high to keep customers in showrooms. This means that they have to rev the **** out of the engines and don't have much to offer at lower revs. They spend a lot of time and money (yes, cash DOES matter, engineers don't work for free) to make the engine strong at high revs. Everything, the heads, cams, intake manifold, exhaust, all that is tuned until they're at or past the point of diminishing returns.
Now look at how the American 5.7L is made. It's made on a shoestring budget, compared to Ferrari, only revs to 6200rpm, is physically smaller, weighs less, and has a powerband the size of Texas. Also, look at the modding potential. The design of the LS1 leaves plenty of room to grow, whereas the Italians have prettymuch maxed out their engine. Not much to gain from your basic I/H/E bolt ons. I'd say the American engineers did just as good a job as the Italians when you consider the application, budget, and design constraints. How many people do you see dropping F430 engines into random cars? How many people do you see dropping LS1s into random cars?
Look at how the engines are being used and what the design goals were. In Europe, vehicles are taxed based on engine displacement, so naturally Ferrari wants to keep displacement as low as possible while keeping HP high to keep customers in showrooms. This means that they have to rev the **** out of the engines and don't have much to offer at lower revs. They spend a lot of time and money (yes, cash DOES matter, engineers don't work for free) to make the engine strong at high revs. Everything, the heads, cams, intake manifold, exhaust, all that is tuned until they're at or past the point of diminishing returns.
Now look at how the American 5.7L is made. It's made on a shoestring budget, compared to Ferrari, only revs to 6200rpm, is physically smaller, weighs less, and has a powerband the size of Texas. Also, look at the modding potential. The design of the LS1 leaves plenty of room to grow, whereas the Italians have prettymuch maxed out their engine. Not much to gain from your basic I/H/E bolt ons. I'd say the American engineers did just as good a job as the Italians when you consider the application, budget, and design constraints. How many people do you see dropping F430 engines into random cars? How many people do you see dropping LS1s into random cars?
07-25-2009, 04:44 PM
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God dont those Ferraris look sexy in black? Rare color on a car like any of those, especially the F40 (my favorite ferrari). When i buy my first ferrari, i think it will be a flat black or titanium 360. Or if i can track down a red 98 f355 gt targa
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Also, the LS1 makes more than 340 lbft, it was rated at 375 in the C5 and 365 in the GTO and most of us know the f-bodies were underrated.
I think with the new F430 (possible f450) Ferrari is trying to make there car stand out more like the lamborghini to try and attract more "look at me" customers. I don't mind it, but I think I prefer the f430's look.
07-25-2009, 10:45 PM
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I do not claim these to be accurate or representational. These are simply the first graphs I found on dragtimes. So take them for what you will.
2006 Ferrari F430 Dyno Dynamometer Results Graph
2001 Trans Am
That ls1 torque curve is sexy.
2006 Ferrari F430 Dyno Dynamometer Results Graph
2001 Trans Am
That ls1 torque curve is sexy.
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07-27-2009, 05:39 AM
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Well Lambo has the gallardo which makes the company more attainable to so many buyers, the cheapest ferrari is the F430 and its near the murcielago new. What ever happened to that Dino they were supposed to be coming out with to compete in the Gallardo's price range?
