Top 10 Future Classics
11-11-2009, 06:16 PM
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Yeah, it's true. I don't know if they ever got above 12k/yr being imported into the US. But you have to also realize that there are some areas that have absolutely NONE of them. I've had numerous people ask me what kind of car I have, and tell me that they've never seen one.
11-12-2009, 06:09 AM
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I read that the first time. IMO a one time version of a common car doesnt seem like it should make it a classic, but before i said that i thought about all the Camaros Mustangs and Corvettes out there. They're also a dime a dozen yet rare models like 68 Z28s and Stingrays are considered classics in every way. Maybe we all need to really define what it means to be a classic before passing judement anymore lol becuase i for one just keep arguing with myself!!!
11-12-2009, 08:22 AM
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I bet a Challenger SRT8 makes the list if/when Chrysler shuts its doors.
It was introduced in '99 as a '00 model; the '09 model was the last one. So i'd say its been 10 years.
It was introduced in '99 as a '00 model; the '09 model was the last one. So i'd say its been 10 years.
11-12-2009, 08:33 AM
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I wonder if LS1 4th gens will be classics one day. There are alot of them, and they had horrible build quality. Despite that, they have the LS1, which was a huge break through in "hot rodding". I doubt that they will ever be worth a whole lot of money, but I could see them still being "cool" down the road.
11-12-2009, 03:10 PM
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Yeah, I couldn't remember if '09 was the last model or '08. But it still got the point across. There were ~120k of them imported in 10 years, compared to the ~320k Civics that are sold every year. They just seem to be concentrated in certain areas, I suppose.
11-12-2009, 04:38 PM
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I read that the first time. IMO a one time version of a common car doesnt seem like it should make it a classic, but before i said that i thought about all the Camaros Mustangs and Corvettes out there. They're also a dime a dozen yet rare models like 68 Z28s and Stingrays are considered classics in every way. Maybe we all need to really define what it means to be a classic before passing judement anymore lol becuase i for one just keep arguing with myself!!!
11-12-2009, 05:09 PM
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I wonder if LS1 4th gens will be classics one day. There are alot of them, and they had horrible build quality. Despite that, they have the LS1, which was a huge break through in "hot rodding". I doubt that they will ever be worth a whole lot of money, but I could see them still being "cool" down the road.
11-12-2009, 05:17 PM
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A lot? not really. They made what? 25k V8 camaros and probably less Firebirds per year? in 1969 they made 107k 69 firebirds and those are worth big money. The 4th gens are pretty rare compared to the production numbers of 60s muscle cars that are worth $$$$$ now.
11-12-2009, 06:44 PM
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the 4th gen's are pretty rare compared to what first and second gens were when they were 10-15 years old.
heres some random production numbers from my firebird book
1969
coupe (including T/A) 75,362
vert 11,649
1979
Base firebirds including V8 but excluding T/A and Formula 38,642
Formula production 24,850
Trans Am production 117109
1995 production
Firebird coupe 26230
Firebird Vert 2926
Formula coupe 7448
Formula Vert 1038
T/A coupe 10943
T/A Vert 2402
as you can see, there were more 1979 formulas built than there were Formulas AND Trans Ams in 1995. when was the last time you saw a 79 Formula? And there were 5x as many T/A's in 79 as formulas.
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11-13-2009, 03:24 AM
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I subscribe to the Top Gear theory of what makes a classic car. Interesting, Beautiful, Rare. A car must be at least two of those things to be worth something in the future.
Let's take it from the top.
Audi R8. Not beautiful, for reasons too obvious to list. Interesting? Marginally, it's a mid-engine audi, it's an ugly gallardo. I would say it's underpowered for the price range. Rare? Beyond the fact of simply being a supercar and thus is rarer than an audi A4, I don't think you can consider these to be truely rare cars. I mean all supercars really are rare to some extent, so I don't think that applies in this particular situation. My verdict: No. It will keep a certain level of value given the class/performance/fit/finish, but I think gallardo superleggeras will go for more in the future.
BMW Z8. One of the worst cars ever made. Beautiful? Yes. Interesting? It was in a James Bond movie. Rare? Given the ones totaled in the aftermath of its shitty handling, the laughable msrp, and the general sales flop it was, Yes. Classic? Unfortunately, yes.
09 CTS-V. Beautiful? not desperately but it's not ugly either. Interesting? It's the fastest cadillac ever made, and indeed the first car they've made since the 40s I would consider to be truely world class in any way. It's an M5 killer in every sense of the word. Rare? Extremely, and it will remain that way if they quit making them, as the article suggests. Yes, that will be a classic.
09 ZR-1. Beautiful? Yes to us, all we see are the power figures and the performance. To normal people? No. Interesting? Its performance alone puts it in a very exclusive club with F60s and Zonda F's. It's the world's first world class vette. Yes. Rare? Extremely, same deal as the cts-v. Yes it will be a classic, but I don't think it will hold on to its value as well as the cts-v will.
2007 dodge magnum SRT8. Beautiful? Hell no. Interesting? It's a station wagon based on the old mercedes S-class with a 400hp V8. Not really. Rare? No. This will never be a classic. Neither will any of these vehicles, including the challenger SRT8.
09 Viper ACR. Beautiful? Yes. Interesting? It's a viper. Yes. Rare? Extremely. This will be a classic.
Ford GT. Beautiful? Yes. Interesting? It has a HUGE legacy and was a real performer when it was made. Yes. Rare? I've personally seen like 5 of these things, they aren't something you see every day but for a supercar, I think they're pretty common, at least in this country. This will be a classic.
S2000 CR. HAHAHAHAHAHA! WHAT? Seriously? They aren't beautiful, The only reason why it's the least bit interesting is because it's made by Honda, not mazda or BMW. Rare? Hell no. This will not be a classic.
Carrera GT. Yes. This will be a classic.
Why in the hell did they put a prius in there? It isn't even close to fulfilling any of the three basic requirements.
Let's take it from the top.
Audi R8. Not beautiful, for reasons too obvious to list. Interesting? Marginally, it's a mid-engine audi, it's an ugly gallardo. I would say it's underpowered for the price range. Rare? Beyond the fact of simply being a supercar and thus is rarer than an audi A4, I don't think you can consider these to be truely rare cars. I mean all supercars really are rare to some extent, so I don't think that applies in this particular situation. My verdict: No. It will keep a certain level of value given the class/performance/fit/finish, but I think gallardo superleggeras will go for more in the future.
BMW Z8. One of the worst cars ever made. Beautiful? Yes. Interesting? It was in a James Bond movie. Rare? Given the ones totaled in the aftermath of its shitty handling, the laughable msrp, and the general sales flop it was, Yes. Classic? Unfortunately, yes.
09 CTS-V. Beautiful? not desperately but it's not ugly either. Interesting? It's the fastest cadillac ever made, and indeed the first car they've made since the 40s I would consider to be truely world class in any way. It's an M5 killer in every sense of the word. Rare? Extremely, and it will remain that way if they quit making them, as the article suggests. Yes, that will be a classic.
09 ZR-1. Beautiful? Yes to us, all we see are the power figures and the performance. To normal people? No. Interesting? Its performance alone puts it in a very exclusive club with F60s and Zonda F's. It's the world's first world class vette. Yes. Rare? Extremely, same deal as the cts-v. Yes it will be a classic, but I don't think it will hold on to its value as well as the cts-v will.
2007 dodge magnum SRT8. Beautiful? Hell no. Interesting? It's a station wagon based on the old mercedes S-class with a 400hp V8. Not really. Rare? No. This will never be a classic. Neither will any of these vehicles, including the challenger SRT8.
09 Viper ACR. Beautiful? Yes. Interesting? It's a viper. Yes. Rare? Extremely. This will be a classic.
Ford GT. Beautiful? Yes. Interesting? It has a HUGE legacy and was a real performer when it was made. Yes. Rare? I've personally seen like 5 of these things, they aren't something you see every day but for a supercar, I think they're pretty common, at least in this country. This will be a classic.
S2000 CR. HAHAHAHAHAHA! WHAT? Seriously? They aren't beautiful, The only reason why it's the least bit interesting is because it's made by Honda, not mazda or BMW. Rare? Hell no. This will not be a classic.
Carrera GT. Yes. This will be a classic.
Why in the hell did they put a prius in there? It isn't even close to fulfilling any of the three basic requirements.
I agree. 
12-09-2009, 07:15 PM
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Z8 has held its value better than anything I've seen before. They are still going for $120k+. Limited production, all aluminum construction (before anyone else was doing it) and a total package roadster.
Obviously you haven't driven one Crabhart, as they handle great, and have gobs of power to boot. Extremely fun car to drive, and extremely classy. They will be a collector for sure.
IMO an '03/'04 Cobra should be on that list. One of the best affordable American cars of our generation.
Obviously you haven't driven one Crabhart, as they handle great, and have gobs of power to boot. Extremely fun car to drive, and extremely classy. They will be a collector for sure.
IMO an '03/'04 Cobra should be on that list. One of the best affordable American cars of our generation.
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12-09-2009, 10:08 PM
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A lot? not really. They made what? 25k V8 camaros and probably less Firebirds per year? in 1969 they made 107k 69 firebirds and those are worth big money. The 4th gens are pretty rare compared to the production numbers of 60s muscle cars that are worth $$$$$ now.
4th gens will not acheive that high dollar mark since they won't be rare in the future. Check Autotrader.com - 2 pages of low/no mileage CETAs.