Camaro VS Mustang sales for June.
07-04-2010, 10:54 AM
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But I did find this.
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Streak...ro-in-May.html
07-04-2010, 11:53 AM
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This is a really stupid argument (on this board? NEVER! 
)...GM is going to be fine. If you don't like what they did, don't buy their cars. Regardless, they are on track to issue an IPO later this year, sales are up, they have great cars on the road and in the pipeline...no problems. Ford is less certain, but they too, for the first time in forever, have great cars on the road and in the pipeline. If you have a problem with buying from a company that was saved by the government, but have no problem buying from a company that is $34B in debt...then just buy a Ford. Either way I have no problem with you because you are buying american.
I'm not arguing about this anymore...I say the Camaro will hold the sales lead for the foreseeable future...it is the newer, "cooler" car...the convertible is coming soon, and an even more powerful Camaro is on the horizon. The current mustang, in the eyes of the general public, has been out for five years now. Yes I know the 2011 mustang is very different from the 05...thank you...but the general public (those people gobbling up the V6's) does not know or care. We will just have to wait and see if i'm right.
)...GM is going to be fine. If you don't like what they did, don't buy their cars. Regardless, they are on track to issue an IPO later this year, sales are up, they have great cars on the road and in the pipeline...no problems. Ford is less certain, but they too, for the first time in forever, have great cars on the road and in the pipeline. If you have a problem with buying from a company that was saved by the government, but have no problem buying from a company that is $34B in debt...then just buy a Ford. Either way I have no problem with you because you are buying american.I'm not arguing about this anymore...I say the Camaro will hold the sales lead for the foreseeable future...it is the newer, "cooler" car...the convertible is coming soon, and an even more powerful Camaro is on the horizon. The current mustang, in the eyes of the general public, has been out for five years now. Yes I know the 2011 mustang is very different from the 05...thank you...but the general public (those people gobbling up the V6's) does not know or care. We will just have to wait and see if i'm right.
07-04-2010, 12:05 PM
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Oh and Americans with egos? That's just crazy talk.
07-04-2010, 12:17 PM
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Funny...I don't hear you saying this about any banks.
Yes I did. I also already knew just about everything presented therein. But thanks.
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Name one great car they have produced between 2000 and 2007. I'll give you some help...the Focus, Fusion, and Five Hundred were all utterly uncompetitive cars. That pretty much leaves the Mustang which had no competition.
You obviously love Ford...so I threw you a bone there. I have no problem with Ford now...they are finally making good cars, and along with GM, are really starting to take a chunk out of the Toyota and Honda marketshare.
Wow you really are able to keep a rosy-eyed view of this country. I'm happy for you, but the reality of the situation is that it is utterly impossible to underestimate "the people".
Nope. I thought it would be faster than it is. Truth be told, I'm a little disappointed in the car's straight line performance.
Yes I did. I also already knew just about everything presented therein. But thanks.
Name one great car they have produced between 2000 and 2007. I'll give you some help...the Focus, Fusion, and Five Hundred were all utterly uncompetitive cars. That pretty much leaves the Mustang which had no competition.
Wow you really are able to keep a rosy-eyed view of this country. I'm happy for you, but the reality of the situation is that it is utterly impossible to underestimate "the people".
Nope. I thought it would be faster than it is. Truth be told, I'm a little disappointed in the car's straight line performance.
07-04-2010, 02:01 PM
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For arguments sake, what cars did GM of North America produce from 2000-2007 that were "great?"
07-04-2010, 03:00 PM
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2) 1998-2002 f-body - not particularly high quality or fancy, but without a doubt the fastest thing you could buy for under $30k.
3) 2005-09 Pontiac G6 - great looking, quality (if monochromatic) interior, outsold the Camry for several months in 2006
4) 2003-07 Cadillac CTS - single handedly resurrected a brand...thanks to this car, Cadillac has, in less than a decade, gone from not-even-on-the-map, to leaving BMW and MB scrambling for answers in both sales and performance.
5) 2006-09 Pontiac Solstice - Ruled it's segment from introduction to discontinuation, faster, better handling, and cheaper than either the MX-5 or S2000.
6) 2005-09 Buick lacrosse - Won more awards for quality and reliability than any other car (funny you don't see that on the front page of any news outlets).
There are probably some that I am missing...but that should get the point across. I would also include the 2004-06 Pontiac GTO, but you said "GM of North America" and technically that excludes the GTO. In the time these cars existed, Ford had the Taurus (old one, not new one), Fusion, Five Hundred, Focus, and Mustang. The only one in that list that even deserves further discussion is the Mustang...which would be a great car (05-09) IF it wasn't being outperformed by the 2002 Camaro.
07-04-2010, 03:32 PM
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GTO doesn't count. The Sky/Solstice were compromised cars, and while the Redline/GXP cars were fast they missed their mark. Which is why they didn't sell well. Definitely looked good though. The Corvette has always been the Corvette; awesome even if it sucks. And I will concede the CTS, because it was/is a great car. The G6 was average at best, and the H2/H3 are jokes (IMO). And neither one of you understands that "fast" doesn't mean "great"; the F-body isn't a "great" car just because it's fast, and specifying "CTS-V" on your list excludes the rest of the CTS lineup. My point wasn't that Ford is better than GM, it was that they both are just recently becoming what they should have been decades ago.
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Remember the G6 competed with "average" cars. In this category, as the "general public" has proven, it excelled.
On the H2, I couldn't agree with you more. The H3 however, was valid. They really should have skipped over the H2 and just built the H3 as the H2.
Perhaps we just disagree on what makes a great car. I don't use the same criteria in every category.
I agree with you with one modification...Ford is "just now becoming what it should have been decades ago". GM started about 5 years ago. And here I am speaking in terms of offerings, not so much the company itself...because both leave alot to be desired in that category.
07-04-2010, 04:24 PM
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How, exactly? What should we have expected that wasn't delivered?
Remember the G6 competed with "average" cars. In this category, as the "general public" has proven, it excelled.
On the H2, I couldn't agree with you more. The H3 however, was valid. They really should have skipped over the H2 and just built the H3 as the H2.
Fast can be great. In the case of the LS1 f-bodies, and 03-04 cobra...I would agree that both of those cars deserve "great" status just because they delivered mounds of power for very little money...and because NOTHING else even came close.
Perhaps we just disagree on what makes a great car. I don't use the same criteria in every category.
I agree with you with one modification...Ford is "just now becoming what it should have been decades ago". GM started about 5 years ago. And here I am speaking in terms of offerings, not so much the company itself...because both leave alot to be desired in that category.
Remember the G6 competed with "average" cars. In this category, as the "general public" has proven, it excelled.
On the H2, I couldn't agree with you more. The H3 however, was valid. They really should have skipped over the H2 and just built the H3 as the H2.
Fast can be great. In the case of the LS1 f-bodies, and 03-04 cobra...I would agree that both of those cars deserve "great" status just because they delivered mounds of power for very little money...and because NOTHING else even came close.
Perhaps we just disagree on what makes a great car. I don't use the same criteria in every category.
I agree with you with one modification...Ford is "just now becoming what it should have been decades ago". GM started about 5 years ago. And here I am speaking in terms of offerings, not so much the company itself...because both leave alot to be desired in that category.
07-04-2010, 06:26 PM
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Speaking of the bank bailouts? That was lame too. But what does that have to do with GM or Ford?
So it's doing better than any of the big 3 in the US.
What part of what I said confused you?
AGAIN there is a difference between PERFORMANCE and QUALITY.
I'm 37 and I've owned ONE Ford in my life. And please, keep your bone to yourself.
Both companies have been making good cars the past decade or more.
Rosie eyed? Naw, just being realistic.
So you must think the Camaro is a dud too since it's slower?
It's already outselling the Camaro.
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Streak...ro-in-May.html
STREAK OVER: MUSTANG OUTSELLS CAMARO IN MAY
It was a short time at the top of the sales charts for the Camaro. Ford moved 1,l294 more Mustangs than GM did Camaros in May. It is the first time that the Camaro has been off of the number one spot since it was introduced back into the market last year. A couple of reasons are being touted as the keys to success for Ford.
So the Mustang is already outselling the Camaro.
Yes I did. I also already knew just about everything presented therein. But thanks.
????
Name one great car they have produced between 2000 and 2007. I'll give you some help...the Focus, Fusion, and Five Hundred were all utterly uncompetitive cars. That pretty much leaves the Mustang which had no competition.
You obviously love Ford...so I threw you a bone there.
I have no problem with Ford now...they are finally making good cars, and along with GM, are really starting to take a chunk out of the Toyota and Honda marketshare.
Wow you really are able to keep a rosy-eyed view of this country. I'm happy for you, but the reality of the situation is that it is utterly impossible to underestimate "the people".
Nope. I thought it would be faster than it is. Truth be told, I'm a little disappointed in the car's straight line performance.
http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Streak...ro-in-May.html
STREAK OVER: MUSTANG OUTSELLS CAMARO IN MAY
It was a short time at the top of the sales charts for the Camaro. Ford moved 1,l294 more Mustangs than GM did Camaros in May. It is the first time that the Camaro has been off of the number one spot since it was introduced back into the market last year. A couple of reasons are being touted as the keys to success for Ford.
So the Mustang is already outselling the Camaro.
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07-04-2010, 06:30 PM
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Just re-read this... ever heard the song "Little Red Corvette?"
07-04-2010, 08:29 PM
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07-04-2010, 08:46 PM
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1) Corvette - no qualification or explanation needed there.
2) 1998-2002 f-body - not particularly high quality or fancy, but without a doubt the fastest thing you could buy for under $30k.
3) 2005-09 Pontiac G6 - great looking, quality (if monochromatic) interior, outsold the Camry for several months in 2006
4) 2003-07 Cadillac CTS - single handedly resurrected a brand...thanks to this car, Cadillac has, in less than a decade, gone from not-even-on-the-map, to leaving BMW and MB scrambling for answers in both sales and performance.
5) 2006-09 Pontiac Solstice - Ruled it's segment from introduction to discontinuation, faster, better handling, and cheaper than either the MX-5 or S2000.
6) 2005-09 Buick lacrosse - Won more awards for quality and reliability than any other car (funny you don't see that on the front page of any news outlets).
There are probably some that I am missing...but that should get the point across. I would also include the 2004-06 Pontiac GTO, but you said "GM of North America" and technically that excludes the GTO. In the time these cars existed, Ford had the Taurus (old one, not new one), Fusion, Five Hundred, Focus, and Mustang. The only one in that list that even deserves further discussion is the Mustang...which would be a great car (05-09) IF it wasn't being outperformed by the 2002 Camaro.
2) 1998-2002 f-body - not particularly high quality or fancy, but without a doubt the fastest thing you could buy for under $30k.
3) 2005-09 Pontiac G6 - great looking, quality (if monochromatic) interior, outsold the Camry for several months in 2006
4) 2003-07 Cadillac CTS - single handedly resurrected a brand...thanks to this car, Cadillac has, in less than a decade, gone from not-even-on-the-map, to leaving BMW and MB scrambling for answers in both sales and performance.
5) 2006-09 Pontiac Solstice - Ruled it's segment from introduction to discontinuation, faster, better handling, and cheaper than either the MX-5 or S2000.
6) 2005-09 Buick lacrosse - Won more awards for quality and reliability than any other car (funny you don't see that on the front page of any news outlets).
There are probably some that I am missing...but that should get the point across. I would also include the 2004-06 Pontiac GTO, but you said "GM of North America" and technically that excludes the GTO. In the time these cars existed, Ford had the Taurus (old one, not new one), Fusion, Five Hundred, Focus, and Mustang. The only one in that list that even deserves further discussion is the Mustang...which would be a great car (05-09) IF it wasn't being outperformed by the 2002 Camaro.
I also wanna point out that up until the new redesign, the Lacrosse winning all those quality awards was just a shiny 20 year old w-body.
07-04-2010, 09:41 PM
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Seriously though, who does care about which car sells better in a given year? It doesn't have any impact on the car that's sitting in my drive way right now. It's just another thing for Ford and GM guys to gloat over. Nothing but fanboy fodder.