Car Life's Road Test Comparator - 1969
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My dad had a '66 Bonneville (with a 389 I believe), it served more as a family car than a performance one so not quite a 421 Catalina of course but it was a big Pontiac just the same. Some of my very earliest memories were of riding in that car.
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#43
I probably mis-spoke a bit, as "pure stock" is sometimes used to define "Pure Street" or "Factory Stock" in drag racing while "Pure Stock" itself is also a class for oval track racing... roundy round.
In drag racing, they're allowed several small changes, but they do have a very strict list they must adhere to or not be allowed to race in that class. I've seen "pure stock" or "pure street" cars run literally seconds quicker than factory stock, which is another class, incidentally, much the same as pure stock in several rules.
Pure Street/Factory Stock cars are allowed(in some sanctioning bodies) any fan setup, head porting, headers(larger than stock) different heads(usually offered by the same manufacturer or stock style aftermarket), solid engine mounts, altered engine location(move it back) so long as it doesnt touch the factory firewall, fuel cells, aftermarket pumps and lines, slightly altered valve angles, milling... Several things can be and are changed for competitive advantage. Some are even allowed weight breaks.
Some would think by the short list above, nearly anything goes, but of course, in racing, there's plenty more. The pure stock class typically requires factory displacement, with a slight overbore in some cases. No stroking the engine, no one off heads, cranks, etc. Ultimately though, "Pure Stock" is hardly actual stock and those cars generally whip an actually stock car with no trouble. It does depend on the sanctioning body, but generally speaking, they really aren't stock.
In any case, the cars really aren't stock and their chassis' are typically more rigid than stock with the addition of a roll cage.
Pure Stock Muscle Car drag racing is also different than most, and holds FAR more serious regulations, limiting almost everything to its factory stock location, requiring model year matched components from end to end, but does allow some changes as well, such as any gear ratio, in some cases a transmission replacement is allowed(still using factory stock offerings), and a compression bump(up 1.5pts I believe). Pistons are probably changeable in most or many applications, but the cars used are limited to something like 66-74 models only. Most of those cars are required to maintain stock components regarding ignition and body specs across the board, so they're really not competitive with most drag racing organisations.
In drag racing, they're allowed several small changes, but they do have a very strict list they must adhere to or not be allowed to race in that class. I've seen "pure stock" or "pure street" cars run literally seconds quicker than factory stock, which is another class, incidentally, much the same as pure stock in several rules.
Pure Street/Factory Stock cars are allowed(in some sanctioning bodies) any fan setup, head porting, headers(larger than stock) different heads(usually offered by the same manufacturer or stock style aftermarket), solid engine mounts, altered engine location(move it back) so long as it doesnt touch the factory firewall, fuel cells, aftermarket pumps and lines, slightly altered valve angles, milling... Several things can be and are changed for competitive advantage. Some are even allowed weight breaks.
Some would think by the short list above, nearly anything goes, but of course, in racing, there's plenty more. The pure stock class typically requires factory displacement, with a slight overbore in some cases. No stroking the engine, no one off heads, cranks, etc. Ultimately though, "Pure Stock" is hardly actual stock and those cars generally whip an actually stock car with no trouble. It does depend on the sanctioning body, but generally speaking, they really aren't stock.
In any case, the cars really aren't stock and their chassis' are typically more rigid than stock with the addition of a roll cage.
Pure Stock Muscle Car drag racing is also different than most, and holds FAR more serious regulations, limiting almost everything to its factory stock location, requiring model year matched components from end to end, but does allow some changes as well, such as any gear ratio, in some cases a transmission replacement is allowed(still using factory stock offerings), and a compression bump(up 1.5pts I believe). Pistons are probably changeable in most or many applications, but the cars used are limited to something like 66-74 models only. Most of those cars are required to maintain stock components regarding ignition and body specs across the board, so they're really not competitive with most drag racing organisations.
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Pure Stock Muscle Car drag racing is also different than most, and holds FAR more serious regulations, limiting almost everything to its factory stock location, requiring model year matched components from end to end, but does allow some changes as well, such as any gear ratio, in some cases a transmission replacement is allowed(still using factory stock offerings), and a compression bump(up 1.5pts I believe). Pistons are probably changeable in most or many applications, but the cars used are limited to something like 66-74 models only. Most of those cars are required to maintain stock components regarding ignition and body specs across the board, so they're really not competitive with most drag racing organisations.
Those cars are insane as some are actually in the 10s on those skinny tires when the air and track prep cooperate.
#46
Could be... Some folks just prefer the red stripe tires for looks, but few race with them... Dang things got expensive. I've not seen any 10's with them either.
#47
Here's a little more on what we're talkin' about:
http://www.stockappearingdrags.com/
True, I think they do have some choice on tires (but no drag radials):
TIRES & WHEELS
You can use either bias ply tires or street radial tires. But they must have complete street treads. No tires that require tubes. You are allowed to have up to 15" wheels and tires widened to the 60 series. This means if your car came with 14's or 15" bias plys you can run up to 15" street radials if you would like. You may run a maximum street 60 series tire size of G-60 or 245/60R15, or you may run a maximum street 70 series tire size of G-70 or 225/70R15. If you use G-60-15 tires they MUST fit easily into your fenderwells, no jacked up rear ends. Your car must maintain a level stance.
Standard street tires only, with street treads, no 2 or 3 line Tires,
NO BFGoodrich Drag Radials, NO Goodyear Drag Radials, NO Dunlop Drag Radials, NO Nitto Drag Radials, NO Mickey Thompson Drag Radials, NO Hoosier Tires, NO Phoenix Tires, NO M&H Racemaster Tires, Hopefully you got the idea
Recommended Tires:
Dunlop GT Radials...Goodyear Eagle GT Radials...BF Goodrich Radial T/A...Coker Red Line Radials...Coker Red Line Bias Ply...Firestone Wide Oval Bias Ply
BF Goodrich Bias Ply
http://www.stockappearingdrags.com/
TIRES & WHEELS
You can use either bias ply tires or street radial tires. But they must have complete street treads. No tires that require tubes. You are allowed to have up to 15" wheels and tires widened to the 60 series. This means if your car came with 14's or 15" bias plys you can run up to 15" street radials if you would like. You may run a maximum street 60 series tire size of G-60 or 245/60R15, or you may run a maximum street 70 series tire size of G-70 or 225/70R15. If you use G-60-15 tires they MUST fit easily into your fenderwells, no jacked up rear ends. Your car must maintain a level stance.
Standard street tires only, with street treads, no 2 or 3 line Tires,
NO BFGoodrich Drag Radials, NO Goodyear Drag Radials, NO Dunlop Drag Radials, NO Nitto Drag Radials, NO Mickey Thompson Drag Radials, NO Hoosier Tires, NO Phoenix Tires, NO M&H Racemaster Tires, Hopefully you got the idea
Recommended Tires:
Dunlop GT Radials...Goodyear Eagle GT Radials...BF Goodrich Radial T/A...Coker Red Line Radials...Coker Red Line Bias Ply...Firestone Wide Oval Bias Ply
BF Goodrich Bias Ply
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